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Author | Topic: Jesus; the Torah, Nevi'im, and Psalms (Part 2) | |||||||||||||||||||||||
arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
continuation of Did They Write About Jesus in the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms?.
in this thread, i would like to discuss ONLY the following list of prophesies, in regards to their context, subject, and whether or not they can (or do) apply to jesus. i would also like to mention that i am open minded about this set, and have not made up my mind yet. i will bring up the next set at moderator discretion.
faith writes: The Messiah will be born in Bethlehem Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1 and Luke 2:4-7 The Messiah will enter the Temple with authority Malachi 3:1 Matthew 21:12 and Luke 19:45 in the last thread we already covered every other prophesy and non-prophesy on faith's list to my total satisfaction, save for the ones in isaiah. but there is to be NO discussion whatsoever about isaiah 7:14, from either side. i'd like to get the stuff we missed arguing over virginity. according to jar's suggestion, we're just gonna start with these two (micah and malachi), and then we'll move on to the isaiah verses, which i'm confident may actually apply. we'll probably take those one at a time. new testament fulfillment is not to be discussed unless we establish the plausibility of the application to jesus beforehand. we are analyzing strictly the old testament texts, and what they are referring to first and foremost, and then seeing if they can apply to jesus, or if they really apply to something else, and were used as later influences on the nt authors. if we exhaust each of these specific prophesies, continuation of the thread with others is up to moderator discussion. (bible, accuracy/inerrancy please. just like the last one, this is not a debate of faith but scholarship) This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 05-02-2005 11:49 PM
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
I think you've got too many in there. Can you cut it down to no more than five? The others can go in part 3 or 4.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
alright, i cut it down to just two. i'd really like to get those other isaiah verses, however. how about i bring them back in, a few at a time, when the thread stalls on these two?
This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 05-02-2005 11:47 PM
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
LOL
Like there's a chance in hell it will stay on topic. Okay, promoting it.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
well, i can dream can't i?
let me know when you think it's appropriate (if ever) to bring up the isaiah verses. cause i honestly don't want 300 posts on this little bethlehem verse...
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Just don't bypass Malachi 3:17.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
we can add it in, if you want.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, I just dont't believe you can pull Malachi 3:1 out of the chapter without looking at the context. If you read Malachi 3 it is obvious that it has nothing to do with Jesus.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
well that is sort of where we're going with this thread. at least these two verses. so, uh, feel free to present your argument in full. and hopefully, others will join in here.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3457 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
"See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenent, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty. In reading ALL of Malachi, God is the one who comes to the temple and the messenger is to be Elijah.
4:5 "See I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.... "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3457 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." The messiah presented here is a human deliverer and ruler.Unfortunately Jesus never became a human ruler over Israel. No talk of persecution, death, or resurrection of the ruler. I know the debates on whether Bethleham Ephrathah is a person or a place, but again this one verse is a small portion of a very long prophecy which does not fit Jesus specifically. No one has shown justification for verses standing alone as prophecy. "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I believe the Jewish interpretation is that it is of the house of David.
Not a place, but a family line.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
any opposition so far?
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3457 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Looks like you have plenty of room to discuss the Isaiah verses you wanted to get to.
"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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