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Topic: Joshua's Long Day
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 106 of 117 (141546)
09-11-2004 12:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by AdminNosy
09-10-2004 11:51 AM
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Re: Sorry I mentioned it
AdminNosy I will take this geocentric tangent and start a new topic on it before it gets away on us.Sorry for the disruption.
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Message 107 of 117 (141562)
09-11-2004 1:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by riVeRraT
09-10-2004 7:06 AM
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the rat writes: What if time was stopped? Huh?
The Laminator
We are the bog. Resistance is voltage over current.
For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 499 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Message 108 of 117 (141563)
09-11-2004 2:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 98 by riVeRraT
09-10-2004 7:28 AM
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the rat writes: I don't understand the problem youhave with this answer. Joshua asked God, and Goddunit. Wouldn't you expect that of God too?
Actually, I don't. In fact, I'd prefer people use this answer rather than coming up with pseudo-scientific stuff to try to explain it.
The Laminator
We are the bog. Resistance is voltage over current.
For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!
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Khaemwaset
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Message 109 of 117 (141619)
09-11-2004 4:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 97 by riVeRraT
09-10-2004 7:22 AM
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Re: For the Love of God Check Your Sources
riVeRraT, you apparently do not understand how history and science work. Primary source material (data/evidence) doesn't usually become out of date. However, interpretations and treatises following scientific methodology do become outdated (often quite quickly) because more and more data is uncovered and must be considered in formulating and evaluating the arguments. Now, in case you are unaware, science was far less rigorous in the 19th century, especially when the subject came to the Bible. This source really wasn't even that reliable in the 19th century, though, as the actual source material being consulted wasn't provided. That's bad writing and makes the research quite suspect. Hope this helps.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Since you don't have a problem with the Goddunnit answer, I won't go into a supernatural answer possibility.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Re: For the Love of God Check Your Sources
I understand perfetly how science and history work. I also understand how history constantly changes in our history books, and science continues to update itself. It was however ironic what you said.
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DrK
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Message 112 of 117 (141700)
09-11-2004 11:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Steen
07-06-2004 2:47 AM
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Presuppositions
Your certainty that the Bible is wrong about Joshua's long day (and the replies of all other participants who "know" that physics would make such a miracle "impossible") reveals an atheistic, deistic, or pantheistic worldview. Atheists deny miracles because "natural law" is all there is. Deists deny them because their "god" does not intervene in nature. Pantheists deny them because God and nature are one and the same, so there is no "super-natural," i.e., nothing above and outside of the natural world. Rather than trying to figure out if the many specific miracles of the Bible are true, you should be asking the bigger question, "Am I building on a sound foundation?" A long hard look would demonstrate that the atheistic, deistic, and pantheistic worldviews are self-contradictory and fatally flawed--their arguments die of suicide. That being the case, all conclusions that arise from those worldviews are flawed. In a theistic worldview, on the other hand, miracles pose no problem. If there is a God who is outside of and the Source of this cosmos, He can do with it as He wishes. Natural laws are not applicable to the Super-Natural Creator. The question, then, should be is the theistic worldview logical and true? I believe that an honest investigation will lead one to that conclusion. A good entry-level discussion on the various worldviews is found in the book UNSHAKEABLE FOUNDATIONS by Peter Bochino and Norm Geisler.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 113 of 117 (141701)
09-12-2004 12:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 112 by DrK
09-11-2004 11:58 PM
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Atheists deny miracles because "natural law" is all there is. No, actually we deny them because they don't happen.
Natural laws are not applicable to the Super-Natural Creator. I wish you would come over to the "What is Supernatural?" thread. I've shown there that, by definition, the supernatural cannot affect the natural world.
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Message 114 of 117 (141709)
09-12-2004 1:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 112 by DrK
09-11-2004 11:58 PM
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Re: Presuppositions
DrK
long hard look would demonstrate that the atheistic, deistic, and pantheistic worldviews are self-contradictory and fatally flawed--their arguments die of suicide. Brave words. Got anything worthwhile to back it up? Please show to me an arguement{I am an atheist}that is self-contradictory and fatally flawed. Of course you will provide non-contradictory logiclly sound arguements to show how your side of the arguement is valid.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 115 of 117 (141744)
09-12-2004 12:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 112 by DrK
09-11-2004 11:58 PM
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Re: Presuppositions
How might you account for the Theists, Christian even, that also say that the account was no more than poetic license and story telling and that none of Joshua's exploits ever happened as laid out in the Bible?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 116 of 117 (141745)
09-12-2004 12:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 113 by crashfrog
09-12-2004 12:23 AM
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I wish you would come over to the "What is Supernatural?" thread. I've shown there that, by definition, the supernatural cannot affect the natural world. Well, you haven't convinced all of us yet, good buddy. 
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2786 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: 01-08-2001
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Message 117 of 117 (141993)
09-13-2004 9:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 19 by jar
07-07-2004 11:54 AM
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"Sun, stand still over Gibeon, and, moon, you also, over the Vale of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon halted, till the people had vengeance on their enemies.
Joshua 10:12,13 Jerusalem Bible.
The JB offers the following comment in footnote b.:
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Lines from a popular song, appealing for time to secure victory, are here adapted to the author's purpose.
According to the text, the LORD did most the killing that day. So, why would it be neccessary to give Joshua more time for his part in the slaughter? Couldn't he do murder fast enough to please the LORD? Perhaps the LORD should have done ALL the killing. Then, at least, he wouldn't have had to stop the sun from going around the earth. That IS what happened, you know. Earth didn't stop rotating! db This message has been edited by doctrbill, 09-13-2004 08:10 AM
Adult Sunday School
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