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trance-lik-state
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Message 149 of 300 (381584)
01-31-2007 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
01-03-2007 6:46 AM


I think it is time that certain people began to support their assertions about how reliable the history in the Bible actually is.
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By MAAMOUN YOUSSEF, CAIRO, Egypt - Archeologists discovered the mummified remains of a doctor they believe lived more than 4,000 years ago and who was buried along with metal surgical tools. Egypt's official Middle East News Agency quoted Zap Haws, chief of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, as saying Tuesday that archaeologists discovered the mummy in Saqqara, 20 kilometers (12 miles) south of Cairo as they were cleaning a nearby archaeological site.
Hawass said the doctor, named Qar, lived under the sixth dynasty from about B.C. 2350 to B.C. 2180 and that the upper part of the tomb was discovered in 2000 while the sarcophagus was found during more recent cleaning work.
"The lid of the wooden casket had excellent and well-preserved decorations ... and the mummy's linen wrappings and the funerary drawings are still in their original condition," Hawass said.
He said the mask covering the face of the mummy was in a very well preserved despite slight damage to the mouth area. Bronze surgical instruments, earthenware containers bearing the doctor's name, a round limestone offering table and 22 bronze statues of gods were also discovered, Hawass said.
"Bronze surgical instruments" dated to early Bronze Age.
Deuteronomy 33:25
Thy shoes shall be iron and brass; and as thy days, so shall thy strength be.
Many Biblical critics have said the metal known as bronze or brass did not exist in the early Mosaic authorship period; therefore, late post Solomon authorship is supported. Deuteronomy is synchronized as having been written in Middle or Late Bronze, or the fifteenth century BC.

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trance-lik-state
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Message 184 of 300 (384972)
02-13-2007 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by PaulK
02-01-2007 12:40 PM


Mind you, anybody surprised to find bronze tools in the Bronze Age is not exactly on the ball. By definition the Bronze Age requires the use of Bronze (IIRC specifically in cutting implements). I have a strong suspicion that the actual issue is the mention of iron in Deuteronomy 33.25. Because that argument would actually make sense.
How did Egypt erect the pyramids without iron?
Surely these events predate Deuteronomy 33 by any chronology. What event marks the beginning of Iron I?

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trance-lik-state
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Message 187 of 300 (384980)
02-13-2007 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by Brian
02-10-2007 7:09 AM


Re: In response
You keep forgetting that I think the united monarchy and before is fictional.
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"This artifact is another important source that corroborates the biblical account of the early Israelites."
Great, and you have evidence of Israelites in Egypt during this period?
The Bible makes clear that 70 or 72 persons (children of Israel) went down to Egypt during famine and were embraced by a ruling Joseph. How did seventy persons already have a racial identity as "Israelites"?
The point is that they were of Canaan and after going into Egypt they absorbed their customs and ways, which makes your question a straw man.

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Message 189 of 300 (384984)
02-13-2007 7:08 PM
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02-13-2007 6:46 PM


Deuteronomy was almost certainly written in the Iron age, which is dated as starting ~1150 BC for the area we're talking about. But that's because it wasn't written by Moses - more likely it was written during the Babylonian Exile or later.
Did you know that a large contingent of Christian scholars believe Deuteronomy was written by Jeremiah? If so, then your chronology is in agreement with them. Chapter 33 is accurate; iron and brass did exist and were in use.

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Message 190 of 300 (384988)
02-13-2007 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by jar
02-13-2007 6:49 PM


Re: the old fashioned way
How did Egypt erect the pyramids without iron?
With wood, water, stone, copper and patience.
Not a satisfying answer. Why don't we put Iron I before Early Bronze?
What prevents moving Iron 1 (besides reputations)?

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