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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
just a question, has anyone brought up toe topics of Tyre and Sidon yet? or the book of Daniel?
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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
you have made a lot of extremely unqualified statements, and provided that you are willing and not just a headstrong stubborn man i am willing to address most of them within my area of expertise.
first of all, your first statement is extremely ignorant or just a lie because there were many King Herod's and yes one was alive at the time of Jesus' birth (assuming 5 -7 BC) secondly there have been excavations on the walls of Jericho which you claim dont exist, and these excavations claim that the walls were torn down in an unconventional manner, rather impressive conclusions from an excavation of something that doesnt exist dont you say? third, I know many Jewish scholars who would say that Nazareth did existNazareth - Wikipedia third paragraph under history, i know that doesnt sound very convincing, but there were people there around that time contrary to your claim. forth, the lineage of Christ is different because their intended purpose is different. Matthew wanted to prove that Jesus had a legal claim to the throne of Israel so he traced all of the legal heirs back to David; Luke wanted to prove Christ was human so he traced every person back to David. fifth, your statement about the age of the earth belongs in a different thread, but you cannot prove that statement either. in fact it wouldn't be science to say anything on this topic at all, because science is the study of repeatable events. sixth, try Josephus, the "Q" quote collection, or the silence of the Jews of the time speaks volumes, not to mention all of the church fathers and disciples. Not even the Jews refute that Christ existed.
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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
have you ever observed the age of the earth? if you have, i must say that you look good for your age, or at least your avatar does
lets face it, cosmology and the origin of life are outside the scope of science until someone either reproduces it in the case of the origin of life, or steps forward and says they observed it in either case for me, God has stepped forward and revealed what He knows because I believe He was there. until you see something happen, you can only make inferences about what happened from the effects left behind. sometimes those inferences are provable and sometimes other unexpected circumstances can produce the same effect which we didn't realize so were back to square one It is, however, wrong for science to do what they are now, and pass off their theories as fact as they are in the school systems. We have a word for those who only let their point of view across, and that word is tyrantCharles Darwin himself said that only by examining all sides of an argument can we come to a proper conclusion.
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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
Is there any chance that God may have revealed the exact date of Noah's Flood to you? I have been asking all those who take the Bible as literal and inerrant and can't seem to get a straight answer. Isn't it a simple matter of accounting, seeing how the Bible is so easy to apprehend? isnt that kinda hypocritical of you seeing as how you cannot tell me how old the universe is? you asking me that would be like me asking you when monkeys began to have rational thought; the when isnt as important as the fact that it happened. Can you tell me the year the Assyrian empire began to go out from Nineveh? then i guess it must not have happened . . . Edited by Siggy, : fixed quotes
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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
you still haven't told me anything; if your high and mighty scientific process is so great, then why cant you be more specific.
I can make idiotic general statements too . . . the flood happened at least 3 years ago. LOL at least i can be a bit more specific, the flood happened between 3000 and 6000 years ago. were getting off topic here anyway, the whole reason you asked this question was to ask "if the Bible is so historically accurate why cant it tell us when the flood was?" and again, the fact that we dont know what time it happened isnt the point, the point is that it did happen. but on this side note, isnt it interesting how most every major civilization on earth has some myth or story about a flood? the Japanese even believed that the earth started with water (something about a sword was in there too) anyway they dont have the details right, but just about all of them have a flood story, pretty remarkable for people who had never talked to each other. also, and i mean this in the nicest way possible. Dont you ever call my beliefs a fantasy again; I try to respect your beliefs, and i expect respect in kind; it takes far more faith to believe that the universe evolved from hydrogen gas than to believe in a creator. your signature is right Aslan is not a tame lion
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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
Have you ever observed your own age?
no, but I know who has . . . really your argument falls apart because someone did witness my birth; and they recorded it on an official document (granted it is in Korean and I cant read it) but they did. Do you know someone who's observed the age of the earth?
You were there at your own birth, but you weren't in any condition to observe, or to know the time and date. Think about it: How do you really know how old you are? And, of course, inferences from solid data are far more relaible[SIC] than eyewitness reports - both scientifically and historically. is this the same "reliable" data that told us the trees in the Mt. St. Helen's explosion were 20,000,000 years old? or the same "reliable" data that said Nebraska Man was the missing link?
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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
Except of course that is simply false, not true.
care to prove that statement instead of making unqualified statements?
Not surprising at all. Local floods happen.
first of all, i doubt that anyone is convoluted enough to believe that minor floods would be recorded in the mythology of a civilization; it would have to be something drastic for the stories to be preserved 3000+ years. Then to say you would have me believe that there were a dozen major floods in different areas of the world than one world wide flood? which seems more likely?
You are, of course free to believe anything, but no one should respect beliefs that are patently false. A world-wide flood is fantasy. It simply never happened. If it bothers you that folk laugh at the idea of a world-wide flood, then learn. No one has to stay ignorant. here look i can make unproved unqualified statements too; watch.you're wrong. evolution is stupid. perhaps next time your superior intellect can provide us with some proof or science or history (which this thread was supposed to be on) rather than making unqualified unproved unscientific statements. Edited by Siggy, : fixing formating
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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
havent ignored, response still coming, just doing some more research before answering
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Siggy Junior Member (Idle past 6061 days) Posts: 15 Joined: |
and yet none of such floods have ever been big enough to be mythological in proportion or even CLOSE to any of the flood stories of old.
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