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Author Topic:   Increase in Natural Disasters? Prophesied?
Phat
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Message 4 of 157 (256424)
11-03-2005 5:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Asgara
11-02-2005 9:44 PM


I don't worry about it for a minute!
But I thought that you would like to read this link from Jan Markell. Jan Markell, founder and Director of Olive Tree Ministries, Inc. became a Christian as a young girl under the ministry of Jewish evangelist Dr. Hyman Appelman, and has been in Messianic, prophecy, or Israel-related ministry since 1975. Jan served on the original staff of the first Messianic Jewish Congregation of the Twin Cities in 1980 as well as the "International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem." She has written eight books and over 300 articles for publication, and has produced nine videos and dozens of audiotape teaching cassettes.
I introduce her into this topic only to show how the literalist evangelists think. Personally, I don't worry about any of this hype for a minute! God has other ways of getting my attention! (Like getting the Queen to slap me!)

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Message 10 of 157 (256469)
11-03-2005 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Buzsaw
11-03-2005 8:53 AM


Re: My Response To NosyNed
Buzsaw writes:
I maintained that the question was whether all disasters in conglomerate were on the increase, as per the thread OP.
Apparantly, Ned is unimpressed with your statistics. Lets assume, for a moment, that a correlation can be drawn and implied by statistics.
  • How do we know that record keeping is just not improving?
  • How do we know if the increase is part of a short term trend (as can be seen with Hurricanes) or whether it is a definite permanent increase?
  • Are you starting from the assumption that the Bible is the way that things will be? (If so, that is OK>Just admit it.)
    Oh...and one other thing: Quit b*tching! This persecution complex is getting old!

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    Message 74 of 157 (257698)
    11-08-2005 8:47 AM
    Reply to: Message 73 by PaulK
    11-08-2005 5:22 AM


    Re: Buzsaw and Paul: The sequel
    PaulK writes:
    Perhaps you should point out to Buz the rule requiring that he should argue in good faith. Which requires at least acknowledging the evidence in the post he is replying to, instead of writing as if it did not exist.
    OK DOKIE....Buz? Paul wants to debate nicely now...I believe he has toned down his personal attack and is back on the issues...can you respond to his links?

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    Phat
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    Message 77 of 157 (257712)
    11-08-2005 9:09 AM
    Reply to: Message 66 by Buzsaw
    11-07-2005 9:25 PM


    Summation of the Topic at hand
    Buzsaw writes:
    I didn't realize that I was being too emotional.
    Thanks, Buzsaw and I appreciate your honesty. As noted above in the past few threads, I've tried to get this topic back to the issues.
    Lets reiterate the Opening Post:
    Asgara writes:
    Can it be shown that natural disasters are increasing since 1948 and does this fulfill biblical prophesy and suggest the imminent end of this world.
    I suggest that an increase in natural disasters must be shown before a claim can be made for the accuracy of biblical prophesy.
    Perhaps you can bring up the precise scriptures that suggest such a correlation.
    Personally, I believe that there will be an eventual "end of the age", but I don't see humanity as necessarily a train wreck just yet.
    I DO see a cyclical rise in the intensity and frequency of hurricanes for the next ten to twenty years...and this will be grevious and harmful. Many have suggested that there have been an unusual amount of natural disasters recently---just after this recent tornado, some official on T.V. news was lamenting the fact that F.E.M.A. was overwhelmed!
    I guess that my point is that there is a difference between cyclical increases which turn into decreases down the road and imminent Biblical prophecies that culminate in a crashing finale of the end of an era.
    Cases could be made that moral decadence is on the increase. Can it be shown that this is an ever worsening phenomenon?
    Wars and rumors of wars have always occurred.
    Christians have not yet been persecuted on a large scale basis in our part of the world....do you see any evidence to the contrary?
    This is an interesting topic for discussion, and I am a Christian who hopes to remain an optimist!

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    Message 96 of 157 (258763)
    11-11-2005 2:00 AM
    Reply to: Message 95 by AdminAsgara
    11-10-2005 12:52 PM


    Fresh Fodder from Pat
    This just in the news today:
    AP writes:
    Televangelist Pat Robertson warns Pa. town of disaster following 'intelligent design' vote
    VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) -- Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may strike there because they "voted God out of your city" by ousting school board members who favored teaching intelligent design.
    All eight Dover, Pa., school board members up for re-election were defeated Tuesday after trying to introduce "intelligent design" - the belief that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power - as an alternative to the theory of evolution.
    "I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God. You just rejected him from your city," Robertson said on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club."
    Eight families had sued the district, claiming the policy violates the constitutional separation of church and state. The federal trial concluded days before Tuesday's election, but no ruling has been issued.
    Later Thursday, Robertson issued a statement saying he was simply trying to point out that "our spiritual actions have consequences."
    "God is tolerant and loving, but we can't keep sticking our finger in his eye forever," Robertson said. "If they have future problems in Dover, I recommend they call on Charles Darwin. Maybe he can help them."
    Robertson made headlines this summer when he called on his daily show for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.
    In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."
    Pat, Pat, Pat! Such a publicity hound!

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