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randman 
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Message 136 of 157 (260470)
11-17-2005 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by arachnophilia
11-17-2005 2:29 AM


Re: Never heard of Robertson killing people
First off, Pat Robertson never based his suggestion of taking down Chavez on his faith. He expressed a political view, not his faith, and did not use his faith to justify it.
Basically, he said it was pragmatic to take Chavez out, whatever that meant. Considering his stature, it was a dumb comment. Even if feels that way, he should not air it on TV because of his visibility and it could affect US relations.
Personally, I don't see the link between his faith and the suggestion at all. It was not a religiously motivated comment.

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arachnophilia
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Message 137 of 157 (260477)
11-17-2005 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by randman
11-17-2005 2:57 AM


Re: Never heard of Robertson killing people
so i can look at women lustfully, as long as it's not motivated by faith?

אָרַח

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ramoss
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Message 138 of 157 (260553)
11-17-2005 10:51 AM
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11-17-2005 2:57 AM


Re: Never heard of Robertson killing people
With Robertson, his political ideoelogy and his faith seem linked. He wanted people to 'pray' that certain supreme court judged are gone. He threatened hurricanes and disasters sent by god to all sorts of places whose POLITICAL or business decisions he disagreed with (Not that any self respecting god would listen to him.). He is using a religious show to promote political opinions.

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ringo
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Message 139 of 157 (260561)
11-17-2005 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by randman
11-17-2005 2:57 AM


Re: Never heard of Robertson killing people
randman writes:
Pat Robertson never based his suggestion of taking down Chavez on his faith. He expressed a political view, not his faith, and did not use his faith to justify it.
As some of us are discussing in another thread: our actions reveal the substance of our faith. If Robertson goes on TV and openly advocates murder, his professed "faith" is worthless.
Edit: Added a link to the thread, as per Adminnemooseus' request. I think the fist mention of professed v. expressed faith is my message #12. I don't know if there's anything in that thread that pertains to natural disasters or the prophecies thereof.
This message has been edited by Ringo316, 2005-11-17 11:28 AM

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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Message 140 of 157 (260562)
11-17-2005 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by ringo
11-17-2005 11:50 AM


Where is that other thread?
I seem to have seen it in the past, but can't find it now. How about editing in a link in your message.
You might also wish to bring some material from this topic to that topic.
As moderator messages tend to be inherently off-topic - Please, no replies to this message.
Adminnemooseus

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Buzsaw
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Message 141 of 157 (262602)
11-22-2005 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by goldenlightArchangel
11-17-2005 2:15 AM


Re: Is there any difference between Osama Bin Laden and Pat Robertson?
Zsafira writes:
They are not being equated by their actions, but by their common "believing":
Bin Laden believes it's cool to coerce as many as possible to commit suicide in order to destroy as much property and take out as many innocent victims as possible to achieve his personal religious goal of world conquest without sanction from any government. On the other hand, Robertson suggested that it might be wise for the government to do what the government has already considered necessary on occaseion in the past for the good of all and to prevent greater loss of life and liberty.
Zsafira writes:
They both did "believe" that the ends do justify the means; They both did "believe" that the action of killing a man can be justified by their faith[abomination].
Robertson's proposal has to do with national welfare and not religion, as I understand it.
Zsafira writes:
They both did not retain the Eternal's words that remain the same:
"..not to pay evil for evil to anyone"
And for that,
Spiritually, there is no difference between those doctrines[beasts]
and the theologies[false prophet] of their faith[abomination].
Again, I believe you have a strawman here, not applicable to religion.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 142 of 157 (262603)
11-22-2005 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by ramoss
11-17-2005 10:51 AM


Re: Never heard of Robertson killing people
ramos writes:
With Robertson, his political ideoelogy and his faith seem linked. He wanted people to 'pray' that certain supreme court judged are gone. He threatened hurricanes and disasters sent by god to all sorts of places whose POLITICAL or business decisions he disagreed with (Not that any self respecting god would listen to him.). He is using a religious show to promote political opinions.
1. Praying for better judges on the bench and actively planning to cause their removal, being personally involved with violence are two very different things.
2, Robertson knowing that he was not a god, never ever threatened anyone with any natural disaster. He simply used scriptural precedence and reference for warning that God does indeed allow disaster to get the attention of his mankind who spurn him and disregard his plan and purpose,

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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jar
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Message 143 of 157 (262604)
11-23-2005 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
11-22-2005 11:49 PM


How about Robertson saying that US Citizens should be nuked?
you really need to know more about the terrorists like Robertson and the others on the 700 Club.
Robertson says State Department should be nuked
CNN report on the event

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 144 of 157 (262606)
11-23-2005 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
11-22-2005 11:49 PM


Re: Never heard of Robertson killing people
1. Praying for better judges on the bench and actively planning to cause their removal, being personally involved with violence are two very different things.
So, what you're saying is, you deny the power of prayer?

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Buzsaw
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Message 145 of 157 (263310)
11-26-2005 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by jar
11-23-2005 12:03 AM


Re: How about Robertson saying that US Citizens should be nuked?
jar writes:
you really need to know more about the terrorists like Robertson and the others on the 700 Club.
Robertson says State Department should be nuked
I read both links and I see no such statemeny by Robertson. He is interviewing an author being interviewed and CNN even says the author pertaining to this does not suggest that the State Dept should be nuked.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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jar
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Message 146 of 157 (263313)
11-26-2005 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Buzsaw
11-26-2005 12:38 PM


Re: How about Robertson saying that US Citizens should be nuked?
From the CNN article.
In a June interview with Mowbray on the "700 Club", Robertson made similar remarks.
"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up like Newt Gingrich wants to do," he said.
Robertson was referring to former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who was part of a group of conservatives accusing the State Department of undermining U.S. foreign policy by coddling authoritarian governments in the Middle East.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 147 of 157 (263316)
11-26-2005 12:46 PM


Update on Hurricanes
I see new hurricane records are being shattered in 2005, new ones being added beyond normal hurricane seasons.
I believe it's 25 so far, 14 major named ones ones and 3 cat 5s so far. Hang onto your hats, emerging generation of the apocalypse.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Message 148 of 157 (263368)
11-26-2005 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Buzsaw
11-26-2005 12:46 PM


Re: Update on Hurricanes
ANd when this current cycle disapates in about 15 to 20 years, and ther eis no apocalapse, what will you believe then?

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Buzsaw
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Message 149 of 157 (263421)
11-26-2005 9:59 PM
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11-26-2005 4:11 PM


Re: Update on Hurricanes
ramoss writes:
ANd when this current cycle disapates in about 15 to 20 years, and ther eis no apocalapse, what will you believe then?
Well, by that time I would/will be 85 or 90 years old. If I'm gone, either by rapture or death, maybe some bells will ring in the heads of some who who have read this. The apocalypse, btw, is not only about disaster, but about other corroborating events which are to accompany disastrous stuff.
The apocalypse is and has been emerging as per the prophecies since the Bolshevik revolution and confirmed at the rebirth of Israel's nationhood. The disastrous stuff has begun to emerge as Robertson and others have suggested. Increased global warming trends will not be reversed, but will bring on famine, drought forest, brush and grass fires which will continue to break records.
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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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ramoss
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Message 150 of 157 (263424)
11-26-2005 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Buzsaw
11-26-2005 9:59 PM


Re: Update on Hurricanes
Well, I know one thing. it won't be by rapture. That whole concept is a really bad mistranslation, and bad theology from the 19'th century (as most understand 'rapture'.

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