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AdminAsgara
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Message 121 of 130 (224156)
07-16-2005 9:27 PM


Science Fora
Might I remind everyone that this thread is in a science forum and not a faith and belief forum?
This discussion of the Gap theory needs to revolve around objective evidence and NOT subjective beliefs.

AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe

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Message 122 of 130 (224158)
07-16-2005 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Jor-el
07-16-2005 9:17 PM


Back to science
As per the Queen's instructions, I repeat:
quote:
Where's the scientific evidence of everything that happened during the "gap"? Were there not people and animals in the "gap-world"? Where are their fossils? How can we distinguish their fossils from those of the post-gap world? Geologically, where is the gap/post-gap boundary?

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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Jor-el
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Message 123 of 130 (224159)
07-16-2005 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by AdminAsgara
07-16-2005 9:27 PM


Re: Science Fora
AdminAsgara,
Thank you for stating this, the difficulties lie not in the scientific aspect but in the idea that this theory is not acceptable according to scripture. As such would it be possible to give some leeway in connection with this difficulty so that the scientific aspects can be discussed without interference of scriptural interpretation?

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ringo
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Message 124 of 130 (224163)
07-16-2005 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Jor-el
07-16-2005 10:12 PM


Re: Science Fora
As far as I'm concerned, the Biblical questions have been put to rest for anybody except the die-hard gapists. If you want to continue that discussion, start a new thread.
Meanwhile, the scientific questions at Message 122 are waiting for your response.

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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arachnophilia
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Message 125 of 130 (224186)
07-17-2005 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by ringo
07-16-2005 2:22 PM


Notice arachnophilia's quote in Message 106:
quote:
Genesis 1:1-3, JPS
When God began to create heaven and earth -- the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep adn a wind from God sweeping over the water -- God said "Let there be light"; and there was light.
No indication there that the sun was "already" created.
um, yeah, i thought the text was pretty self-explanatory. the sun is created on day 4, along with the moon. both are placed in the heaven, which was made on day two.
the jps renders it that way because it makes the most grammatic and logical sense. that section (day one) does not include the creation of heaven, or of earth (days 2 and 3). there is no gap described in the text -- this is a later reading designed to work out conflicts between belief and science. the text describes seven literal days, and nothing before it.
putting something before it kind of defeats the whole purpose. genesis is describing origins, and here is the origin of heaven and earth. genesis starts, well, in the beginning. there can be nothing before that.

אָרַח

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arachnophilia
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Message 126 of 130 (224187)
07-17-2005 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by AdminAsgara
07-16-2005 9:27 PM


Re: Science Fora
This discussion of the Gap theory needs to revolve around objective evidence and NOT subjective beliefs.
that the gap theory does not fit the bible -- the primary thing it is designed around -- is objective. the theory is a way of reconciling the bible and science. if it does not fit either end of it, the "theory" is flawed.

אָרַח

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sidelined
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Message 127 of 130 (228454)
08-01-2005 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Jor-el
07-14-2005 4:06 PM


Re: Logos
Jor-el
Since "the beginning" as stated can be period of any number of years, that statement alone covers Everything from the moment of true creation of the Universe (BB theory) until the moment of the recreation inwhich the earth, the sun and the rest of the physical universe already existed
This cannot hold true,since in the Genesis verses,
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
it is clear that the firmament { shamayim or heaven} is created after light and after waters.Days or billions of years maters little since the order is incorrect.Heaven{shamayim} was created in the first verse and therefore "in the beginning" refers to after the creation of light as explained in verses 1:2 -1:8.
Light was not created before all else now was it?

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Jor-el
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Message 128 of 130 (228491)
08-01-2005 1:31 PM


New Thread
Since the discussion here is supposed to relate to the scientific evidence pertaining to the Gap Theory (this being a Science Forum) I am going to propose a new topic where this discussion can continue in the faith and belief forum as indirectly sugested by AdminAsgara.

  
Lex_Luthor
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Message 129 of 130 (313951)
05-20-2006 4:26 PM


Regarding the Fossil record, the most startling observation is that the Darwinists know everything about the missing link other than the fact is it missing.

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Coragyps
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Message 130 of 130 (313957)
05-20-2006 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Lex_Luthor
05-20-2006 4:26 PM


Hi, LL. you nefarious villian, you!
May I point you to this thread, which discusses a recently found "missing link" which joins several others that were 1) predicted to exist and 2) found in a particular part of the geologic column based on the prediction?

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