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Topic: How did it start?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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To test simply the alleged self-combining tendency of carbon, I placed one microliter of India (lampblack) ink in 27 ml. of distilled water. The ink streaked for the bottom of the test tube where it formed a dark haze which completely diffused to an even shade of gray in 14 hours. The carbon stayed diffused, not aggregated as when dropped on paper. To test simply the accuracy of the Bible, I lit a bush on fire. I found I was quite unable to communicate with God in this manner.
At this simple level, there is no evidence that the "primeval soup" is anything but fanciful imagination. At this simple level, there is no evidence that the "book of Genesis" is anything but fanciful imagination.
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TheNewGuy03
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Message 137 of 162 (182581)
02-02-2005 1:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 135 by AdminJar
02-02-2005 1:21 PM
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Re: Hello!
Oh. 
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TheNewGuy03
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Yah.
OK, let's argue!! It is against the rules of science to pit something that is ethereal against something that is corporeal. Also, the burning bush was in the book of Exodus, not Genesis. Please get your facts straight. The creation story is a valid explanation simply because no one knows how the universe started. You can't put the preternatural in a category with things we observe everyday. Thank you.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: Yah.
The creation story is a valid explanation simply because no one knows how the universe started.
Regardless of the multiple contradictions between the two creation stories in the Bible, and between either of them with the evidence of the world we see around us? That seems to be an odd use of "valid."
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TheNewGuy03
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Message 140 of 162 (182585)
02-02-2005 1:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 139 by Coragyps
02-02-2005 1:46 PM
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Re: Yah.
Since when did the Bible beget TWO creation stories? I want you to explain that thoroughly, because the many years I've studied the Bible, I NEVER noticed that. Cheers. ______________________________ Peripomata.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: Yah.
Read Genesis chapters 1 through 3 again, and get back to me. We'll go visit a previous thread or two on the subject.
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TheNewGuy03
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Message 142 of 162 (182591)
02-02-2005 2:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 141 by Coragyps
02-02-2005 2:10 PM
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Re: Yah.
Nothing new, kid. Sorry to disappoint ya. Anyway, in case you might ask: How do you refute something for which there is no substantial proof? ___________________________________ Miso ton kosmo.
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JonF
Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: 06-23-2003
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Re: Yah.
Since when did the Bible beget TWO creation stories? Genesis 1:1 through 2:3 is one, and Genesis 2:4 through 2:25 is the other. They tell different stories that most people find incompatible (and most people find that those who claim they are compatible are going through all sorts of unjustified gyrations to resolve the inconsitencies). E.g. the order of creation is different in the two stories, and the word used for God differs between the two. There's an interesting discussion at In the Beginning: Two Stories of Creation.
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TheNewGuy03
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Message 144 of 162 (182594)
02-02-2005 2:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 143 by JonF
02-02-2005 2:13 PM
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Re: Yah.
I just read it, and this is what I conclude: 1) Genesis 1 deals primarily with the creation of the cosmos itself, rather than the things in it. 2) Genesis 2 focuses on the creation of MAN and LIVING THINGS. This does not mean that they were created in opposite orders, it just means that that is the area of focus in Genesis 2. Don't overcomplicate matters; it only creates new problems, my man. This message has been edited by TheNewGuy03, 02-02-2005 14:21 AM
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: Yah.
Genesis 1 deals primarily with the creation of the cosmos itself, rather than the things in it.
The is the Book of Genesis - the one in the Bible - that we're discussing here. Not, apparently, whatever one you just read. BTW - say "hi" to my daughter the next time you see her running around Audabon Park. She's the one with the curly hair. And we're off-topic for this thread. This message has been edited by Coragyps, 02-02-2005 14:29 AM
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randylsu
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Message 146 of 162 (182596)
02-02-2005 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 145 by Coragyps
02-02-2005 2:27 PM
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Ah, hot Tulane girls running around the park.
Sorry to be so OT, I'm just proud to have married one of them.
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TheNewGuy03
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Message 147 of 162 (182597)
02-02-2005 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 145 by Coragyps
02-02-2005 2:27 PM
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Re: Yah.
Hello, God. Who knew I could meet God in a forum? Anyway, that's what it is. You are biased, my man. Just like all of us wretched humans. What Bible are you reading, by the way? Audubon Park???!! You live in New Orleans??! OK, we're REALLY off-topic. This message has been edited by TheNewGuy03, 02-02-2005 14:32 AM
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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OK, let's argue!! Let's not. You're rightly identified my reasoning as simplistic; that was the point. Your so-called "test" proved nothing; it was simply a strawman. Just like mine, when I turned the same reasoning against you.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: Yah.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
That's KJV - others are similar. I live in West Texas - #2 daughter goes to Tulane.
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AdminNosy
Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: 11-11-2003
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Message 150 of 162 (182644)
02-02-2005 4:32 PM
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Just a reminder (but you know already): This is not a bible accuracy thread. It is about the orgin of life. Stick to that. This is a science thread the bible isn't helpful here. This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 02-02-2005 16:33 AM
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