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Greatest I am
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Message 31 of 63 (455858)
02-14-2008 9:10 AM
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02-14-2008 8:19 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
No. True forgivness is to forgive all people. Not just those who will follow.
To forgive those that died before Jesus was born would have been the way as well.
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DL

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Message 32 of 63 (455859)
02-14-2008 9:36 AM
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02-14-2008 9:10 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
GIA writes:
No. True forgivness is to forgive all people. Not just those who will follow.
True forgiveness means paying the cost of anothers debt to you - yourself. Every last cent of it. Universal true forgiveness is doing the same thing for all people.
If a person is insistant that they want to pay the debt themselves then I see no reason why God should force them to be forgiven.
To forgive those that died before Jesus was born would have been the way as well.
? I didn't know folk couldn't be saved before Christ was born.
Indeed, Abraham was credited with righteousness in the OT and is used by Paul as the ilustrative model of NT salvation mechanics
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Message 33 of 63 (455860)
02-14-2008 9:38 AM
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02-14-2008 9:36 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
Jesus said "only through me"
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DL

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Message 34 of 63 (455861)
02-14-2008 9:41 AM
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02-14-2008 9:38 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
So he did. Did he put some time contraints on that?

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Message 35 of 63 (455862)
02-14-2008 9:43 AM
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02-14-2008 9:41 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
Where?
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DL

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Message 36 of 63 (455863)
02-14-2008 9:47 AM
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02-14-2008 9:43 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
Anywhere.

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Message 37 of 63 (456003)
02-14-2008 11:07 PM
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02-14-2008 9:47 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
Well, if I may interject, Jesus did come to save all. Before His birth and after. If you're saying he couldnt because He wasnt there yet, thats saying He came into existance when He was born which is incorrect.
(John 1:1-In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God, He was with God in the Beginning...)
One must conclude that the righteous will be saved, regardless of time period. Like iano said: Abraham was used by Paul as a positive image, and he will definately be saved, for he started the Hebrew race, the Chosen race of God.
Raph
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Truth is still Truth, Weather One or a Thousand People believe it.

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Message 38 of 63 (456027)
02-15-2008 3:23 AM
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02-14-2008 11:07 PM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
An example of the greatest I AM confounding GreatestIam?

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Message 39 of 63 (456058)
02-15-2008 8:56 AM
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02-14-2008 11:07 PM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
How can Jesus be before Mary was born?
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DL

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Message 40 of 63 (456102)
02-15-2008 1:56 PM
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02-15-2008 8:56 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
GIA writes:
How can Jesus be before Mary was born?
Because He is God, and has existed since forever.

Truth is still Truth, Weather One or a Thousand People believe it.

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Message 41 of 63 (456106)
02-15-2008 2:06 PM
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02-15-2008 1:56 PM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
So passing throught Mary was His second trip or His first?
Why would He need Mary in the first or second place?
Was there two of Jesus for 9 months?
Regards
DL
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Message 42 of 63 (456107)
02-15-2008 2:09 PM
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02-15-2008 2:06 PM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
GIA said:
So passing throught Mary was His second trip or His first?
Why would He need Mary in the first or second place?
Was there two of Jesus for 9 months?
First. He needed Mary to come as a human. No there wasn't two of Jesus. He existed in Heaven before coming to earth in human form.
Raph
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Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.

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Message 43 of 63 (456207)
02-16-2008 10:26 AM
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02-15-2008 2:09 PM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
Does that mean that the trinity was only twonity for 9 months.
Not to just have fun here but you see the awkwardness of giving Jesus divinity. You have to twist logic to an unrecognizable form.
Regards
DL

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Message 44 of 63 (456259)
02-16-2008 4:39 PM
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02-16-2008 10:26 AM


Re: All Scripture is God Breathed and Profitable
GIA said:
Does that mean that the trinity was only twonity for 9 months.
Might've been. I dont know.
Raph
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Message 45 of 63 (456312)
02-17-2008 4:33 AM
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02-15-2008 8:56 AM


Which Came First?
Which Came First? God, or human awareness of God?
GIA writes:
How can Jesus be before Mary was born?
The same way that GOD was before humans were.
GIA writes:
Not to just have fun here but you see the awkwardness of giving Jesus divinity. You have to twist logic to an unrecognizable form.
The whole point is that we humans don't give Jesus Divinity any more than we give GOD authority!
Edited by Phat, : added features!

"All that we call human history--money, poverty, ambition, war, prostitution, classes, empires, slavery--[is] the long terrible story of man trying to find something other than God which will make him happy."--C.S.Lewis
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“The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.”--General Omar Bradley
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"The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog." -GK Chesterson

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