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Author Topic:   A Genesis Day and the Age of the Earth: what does the Bible say?
Me4Him
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Message 38 of 121 (485192)
10-06-2008 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by doctrbill
08-28-2008 7:27 PM


Re: The REST of the Story
If I may "join in the discussion".
"TIME" in scripture is only "RECORDED" where "Sin exist".
A "Record" of "time passing" is not recorded for the "Creation Days", because sin didn't "exist".
God told Adam, "in the day" you sin, you die.
Sin started "recording" a "record" of time passing, not only for man, but also the earth, it to has an "end".
In Hell, people are tormented "day and night", which records the "passing of time".
Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
However, in heaven, there only "DAY", no night to mark the passing of time.
Re 22:5 And there shall be no night there;
How long is "Eternity", no one can say, (much less comprehend) there's no "record" from which to "judge" time passing.
How long was the "creations days", no one can say, there's no record of them either.
What records we have of the creation days was to establish a record for the passing of time "AFTER" sin entered the world.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done,
The same "pattern of days" described for the world beginning is also the same "pattern" described for it's end.
http://i32.tinypic.com/30a6dd1.jpg
On either side of sin, Creation days, before sin, Eternity, after sin,
There's no record of "TIME".

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Me4Him
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Message 40 of 121 (485325)
10-07-2008 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Buzsaw
10-06-2008 11:40 PM


In Scripture, the "Natural light" the "SUN", is the "Symbol" representing "Jesus", the "Spiritual Light".
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings;
Jesus was born/crucified in the "evening of the "FOURTH DAY".
Ge 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night:
Isa 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
Mt 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
Jesus deliberately waited until the Fourth day before resurrecting Lazarus, foreshadowing his appearence in the fourth day.
The "MOON" is the "Symbol" representing "Any assemble of God's people", Jew or Gentile. (church)
The "Water" Jesus gave the woman at the well evaporates into the "Spirit" to give life,
Good point, I hadn't considered.

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Me4Him
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Message 49 of 121 (485660)
10-10-2008 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by ICANT
10-10-2008 12:34 PM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
In scripture, a "Day" can equal a
"Thousand years",
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
Re 20:4 and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Seventh day/Millennial reign)
A "year",
Da 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, (70 X 7 = 490 years/each day = a year)
or "24 hours,"
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (his Resurrection)
The interpretation of the length of a "DAY" depends on the "CONTEXT" in which it's used.
however there is no context given for the length of "DAY" in Genesis,
and without a context, no one can be certain.
Personally, I think Day was used to establish a "Pattern" rather than describe an actual length of "Time".

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Me4Him
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From: TN
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Message 59 of 121 (485727)
10-10-2008 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by New Cat's Eye
10-10-2008 2:15 PM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
The first three days of Genesis, the world was lit by "Spirit", as it will be on the new earth.
Re 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Unlike the sun, the spirit lights the whole world, regardless of "Rotation".
Each part created on a certain day, establishes a "Pattern" that the earth will follow after sin enters.
http://i32.tinypic.com/30a6dd1.jpg
So each time God said, "evening/morning" doesn't necessarily mean darkness fell on the earth, but that the pattern for that "DAY" was finished and a new one starting for the next day.
God told Adam, "IN THE DAY" you sin, you die.
"Spiritually" Adam died the "instance" he sinned, however he lived 930 years, but nevertheless still died "IN THE DAY" he sinned, for a day with God is a "thousand years".
No one has lived a thousand years on earth since sin entered, all have sinned, all have died "IN THE DAY".
But the "Redeemed" (without sin) will live on earth a thousand years, and not die with Jesus. (M-Kingdom/Seventh day)
As the prophecy with Adam showed, a single prophecy can have a "DUAL" application/fulfillment, one "Spiritual", one "Literal",
"Preterist" interpret prophecy Spiritually and say the tribulation has already begun, the church interpets it literally and say it's still in the future, few understand this "DUAL" application of prophecy.
http://i25.tinypic.com/1znaptj.jpg
The promise to "Send Elijah" was "Spiritually" fulfilled in "John the Baptist",
but it will "literally" be fulfilled when Elijah returns as one of the two witnesses during the trib.
As with these prophecies, "Creation days" must be interpreted "IN CONTEXT" with those things to which they refer, the days after sin enters the world, not a length of time for creation as we judge time.
I'm still looking for the "red arrow" to reply to a certain post, it's not on my XP pro IE brower, so I've having to use the "reply button",
any help???
Edited by Me4Him, : No reason given.

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Me4Him
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Message 61 of 121 (485757)
10-11-2008 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by bluescat48
10-11-2008 12:19 AM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
So then why doesn't it read let there be spirit (whatever that is)?
Actually, it does, there's only two kinds of "light", "Natural" and "Spiritual".
Mt 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light;
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world:
Re 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;
Re 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
You ask, "What is spirit"??
It's that part of this "pile of dirt" we call a "Body" which give "life" to the "dust of the earth".
Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.
And which causes death of the body when separated from the body, returning it to "Dust".
Ge 3:19 for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Without God's spirit, there would be "NO LIFE",
"MOTHER" nature can't give birth to life without a "FATHER". (God/spirit)
A simple fact, evolutionist ignore.

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Me4Him
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Message 65 of 121 (485898)
10-12-2008 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by bluescat48
10-11-2008 7:33 PM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
But where does it say the 1st 3 days had spiritual light?
Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Mt 5:16 Let your light (SPIRIT OF GOD) so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

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Me4Him
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Message 67 of 121 (485925)
10-13-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by bluescat48
10-12-2008 8:23 PM


Re: Re A Genesis Day
All it says it "let there be light" not let there be "spiritual light for 3 days until I create the Sun".
You would have to understand how the Bible is written to know what it means.
And it's a book that can't be read/understood as any other book, it's only "Revealed" to those of "FAITH",
which sits it apart from all other books.
Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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Me4Him
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Message 68 of 121 (485927)
10-13-2008 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by chemscience
10-12-2008 1:01 AM


John/Chemscience
We're pretty much in agreement, even arriving at the same conclusions but for different reasons.
This G-7 meeting of the world bankers is to combine the banks of the USA with the world banks which is controlled by the "Bank of International settlement", sitting up control of governments/nations/people by controlling their "ECONOMY",
a "Government of the banks, by the banks, and for the banks",
a "ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT".
This prophecy is being fulfilled even as we speak.
God said the earth would "work six days" and the "Seventh day" being the MK (Mill Kingdom), "HER BRANCH" (Israel restored as a nation/valley of bones) would be the "last generation", so these two prophecies have to occur at the same time, withing a narrow time frame, end of the six days/Israel restored, 1948 is well within that time frame.
http://i27.tinypic.com/2ymvzx1.jpg
If "Her branch" is not to pass as "His branch" didn't, 1948 + 70 = 2018, minus 7 years for the rapture, 2011-2012, if not "BEFORE".
One of the many ways the church "conforms to Jesus image", is to be "Resurrected", (back on earth/First Resurrection) "Early in the morning" of the "THIRD DAY", in this case it's the third thousandth year day, or 7th day (MK). Jesus was born/crucified in the evening of the fourth day, 5th, 6th, 7th day.
http://i25.tinypic.com/1znaptj.jpg
Jesus spent "TWO DAYS" with the "Samaritan woman" (prefigure Gentile church/Bride of Christ) before returning to the "JEWS". (trib period)
Ho 6:2 After two days (5th, 6th) will he revive us: (Israel) in the third day (7th) he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
God/Jesus doesn't deal with both the Israel/Gentiles at the same time, in the same time frame, one reason the "Rapture" (fulness of the Gentiles) must occur before the trib starts.
Each "FEAST" corresponds to a major events in the NT, the "LAST TRUMP" (feast of trumpets) of the "COMFORTER" will rapture the church, Israel will go back under the "Law and Prophet" system of the OT to finish the trib.
Israel won't hear/listen to the "voice of Jesus". (Comforter)
http://i25.tinypic.com/2e0mp6t.jpg
The first five events in the NT occurred on the "Exact dates" given for their corresponding "Feast dates".
The "Feast of Trumpets" is the start of a "NEW YEAR" on the Jewish calender, but since their calendar doesn't precisely match the "moons rotation", they wait until "TWO WITNESSES" bear witness to the "NEW MOON" before the Sanhedrin, no one knows the "DAY AND HOUR" this will occur from year to years.
Taken "IN CONTEXT" with everything else, Jesus statement about the "DAY AND HOUR" could be a "Vailed reference" as to when the rapture would occur, rather than a complete secret.

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Me4Him
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From: TN
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Message 72 of 121 (485945)
10-13-2008 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by chemscience
10-13-2008 12:30 PM


Re: "Government of the banks"
Hey, John:
I like your crystalizing statement: "Government of the Banks, by the Banks, and for the Banks"!
"No man should be able to buy or to sell save he that hath the mark, even the name of the" Rev 13:17
No doubt you know about the Amero and the North American Union.
We're almost there! Soon!
Thanx for your reply
chemscience
That post was from Me4Him
But thanks anyway.
Yep, I well aware of the Amero and the North American Union.
But those are just "Sign post" telling me that we're "almost home", not far to go.
I suppose it would be a good idea to "Sign" my post.
Me4Him

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