Fulfillments of Bible Prophecy

Are you really using a series of books that have no real world evidence to support their stories, as evidence of a "fulfilled prophecy" that any Jew would have access to?I could write my own story that involves an individual fulfilling Is 53... does that make it true? Of course not.

Apparently I did. I meant to reply to msg 25, but for some reason it came up as your message...

YAWNYou are still talking about a prophecy being fulfilled within a book you have yet to evidence the authenticity of. It seems a little weak that the only evidence you have for your claims is a compilation of books, that have no corroboration from any sources independent of the christian church.To give you an example.I could write several different gospels, all claiming George to be the messiah promised in Isaiah (Assuming for the moment Isaiah is even prophesying anything in the first place). I could then go ahead and sprinkle my gospels with catch phrases being stated by George, including actions and deeds as required per Isa. I could even have George become resurrected.Then I could go around, and say that I found these gospels that written a few years ago, and had them revealed to be true to me, after a religious experience in which the resurrected George admonished me for persecuting the Georgians. I would then go on to right my own books, and create my own Church of George.That's the problem with your example, everything I just did would make George the Messiah. I could even cite Isa just like you are to show how it became fulfilled! All this would have just as much corroborative evidence as the early christian stories would.Do you really think the early Christians had no knowledge of Isa? Do you really think that it would be beyond the despot Roman funded Council of Nicaea to cherry pick the gospels that included references to Isa, to make their savior seem more legitimate?

This is all ignoring the fact that Mary would have lost her child on the hypothetical journey, for the proposed reason she was in Bethlehem in the first place.This is also ignoring the fact that Joseph would have never taken his wife with for a census, as women were deemed property at the time, and a husband's statement of his marriage was all that was needed for record keeping.This is also ignoring that there are no records from the Roman Empire --which is the same Empire that kept records nearly down to the individual grain of wheat-- of any census like the one mentioned in the Gospels ever occurring.This is also ignoring the sheer idiocy of such a proposed census, just from the amount of resources it would drain from the Empire's economy, as nearly every working class individual would have to make a journey to their places of birth.This is also ignoring the fact that Herod wasn't even alive when Jesus was born.Edited by Michamus, : typoEdited by Michamus, : typos

Excellent dodge... Did I really hurt your argument that much?

Been at least 12 hours... still no response. Hmmm... perhaps your true reason behind that post is becoming apparent?

Ah, but Cedre knows the answer!