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Perdition
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Message 92 of 109 (505995)
04-21-2009 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Peg
04-21-2009 3:34 AM


It is much more reasonable to me that if you want to know what someone said, or how soemthign is, you'd go to the source and find out directly...but instead, they find all these obsure people who are giving their own opinion on said subject and take it as truth.
But what do we do when we don't have the source? What we have is a multiply translated book that is attributed to a writer. In antiquity, it was often the practice of attributing something by a lesser known writer to a more famous one, so taking the "byline" at face value is a bit naive.
Also, to really understand what a person means, you have to do more than just look at what they wrote down. You have to learn the idiom of the time, you have to try and figure out allusions that may have been obvious to people of that time but which mean nothing to us today, and you have to try and figure out if they were speaking sincerely, satirically, or with a hidden motive.

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Perdition
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Message 94 of 109 (506090)
04-22-2009 12:01 PM
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04-22-2009 6:50 AM


who the writers were is a trivial matter because the 'author' was God. The writers obviously saw it that way too seeing many of them did not draw attention to themselves directly. And whilst we do have many translations that are inaccurate, we still have the means to compare them with very ancient manuscripts.
That's just a second level attribution, if you will. Someone writes something, says that it was really writtin by Peter, but that it was REALLY God speaking through Peter.
When you can find proof that the Bible was written by god outside the Bible saying it was written by god, you might be able to convince me of that. Until then, you're taking the word of a Book that tells you to trust it because it always tells the truth, but the only reason you know it tells the truth is because it tells you it does and you should trust it because it always tells the truth...ad infinitum.

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Perdition
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Message 105 of 109 (506547)
04-27-2009 12:32 PM
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04-24-2009 7:47 PM


You should read the works of H.P. Lovecraft and see the words Cthullu spoke to him.
Of course, you'll probably say, "How do we know that Cthullu spoke those words?" But to anyone who opens their hearts and minds to hear it will hear the life sucking screech from Cthullu as it chills the very marrow in your bones.

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Perdition
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Message 106 of 109 (506548)
04-27-2009 12:36 PM
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04-26-2009 1:09 AM


I agree with Michamus, we should perhaps create a new thread, or perhaps there is one in the archives we could revive, concerning these prophecies that convinced you.
For myself, every prophecy I have heard form the Bible that has been "confirmed" takes a whole lot of mental gymnastics to show it came true...sort of like Nostradamus.

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