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doctrbill
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Message 121 of 392 (512869)
06-21-2009 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by jaywill
06-21-2009 4:16 PM


Re: List the Laws
jaywill writes:
I did say that there were consequences to not obeying and being conformed to the image of Christ.
Like this one? - :
quote:
"... the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" 2Th 1:7,8
Oh Happy Day!

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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2791 days)
Posts: 1174
From: Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Message 124 of 392 (512875)
06-21-2009 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by jaywill
06-21-2009 10:13 PM


Re: The Master's Will
jaywill writes:
... the living Lord ... He is a living God. Don't try to reduce Him into a computer flow chart.
Living Gods are Alive ... Large, and In-Charge.
Jesus of Nazareth: has no presence, no power, no solution to the disasters which plague humankind.
It is the way of kings to destroy (and threaten to destroy) their competition; and J.C. was no exception. The Great Jehovah himself "became" the God of Israel after signing a contract to that effect. A contract sealed in blood.
"O Lord our God, Other Lords have ruled over us but we are loyal to you. They are gone. They are dead. They won't be coming back. You have killed them. You have advanced the nation. You have expanded all our borders." (and so on ...) A Paraphrase of Isaiah 26:13-15.
doctrbill writes:
... the former Lord ... He is a deceased God. Don't try to revive Him with a zombie human heart.
Edited by doctrbill, : No reason given.

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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2791 days)
Posts: 1174
From: Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Message 136 of 392 (512933)
06-22-2009 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by jaywill
06-22-2009 7:43 AM


Re: The Master's Will
jaywill writes:
There is only one living God. There are not multiple "living Gods".
The expression: "Living God" suggests that there is a "Dead God," or perhaps many dead gods.
As the man said:
quote:
"Thou shalt have no other Gods before me" Exodus 20:3
There must have been other Gods, else why would he be concerned about loyalty? Notice that he didn't say, "Thou shalt have no dead Gods before me." Why do you suppose that is? And if there is only one living god then Jesus of Nazareth could not be him, because Jesus was believed to be:
quote:
"... that Christ, the son of the living God." John 6:69
Jesus cannot be both: God and God's son, unless - being a "son of God" makes of one himself a God. And in that case, it would appear that many Jews were Gods, being as they were called "the sons of God."
quote:
"[Ye are] the sons of the living God. Hosea 1:10
And again:
quote:
"I have said, Ye [are] Gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High." Psalm 82:6
And,because they were Gods, everyone else was supposed to respect them:
quote:
"Thou shalt not revile the Gods" Exodus 22:28
Is there then, more than one God?
quote:
"... the God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, ..." 2 Corinthians 4:4
Apparently there is more than one living God for a dead god woul be no threat, as "the God of this world" appears to have been.
God cannot be at war, as Christians claim him to be, unless there is at least one other God with whom to be at war. Otherwise, if "God" can be threatened by lesser beings, then "God" fails the definition of what it means to be "God," that is - The Creator and Supreme Ruler of the Universe.
If, on the other hand, as the Bible suggests, "God" is also a title of high office: an office occupied by a series of mortal men, only one of whom (at a time) is called "the living God," then we can take the words of Saint Paul to heart when he says,
quote:
"[It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:31
Otherwise, everything is and all of us are, all the time - "in the hands of God."
And that is, often enough, a very comfortable place to be.

Theology is the science of Dominion.
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2791 days)
Posts: 1174
From: Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Message 137 of 392 (512935)
06-22-2009 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by jaywill
06-22-2009 7:43 AM


Re: The Master's Will
jaywill writes:
... since I received Jesus Christ He certainly has a presence for me which I am enjoying at this moment.
I once felt that way. Long ago. Prior to studying the Bible for myself. Prior to testing the spirits. Shortly before the psychotic episode which awakened me.
jaywill writes:
You are speaking out of your lack of belief and shortage of experience.
The personal attack is a waste of your time. You know virtually nothing about me, and you have not, so far, altered my convictions.
The proofs you bring to establish your view seem quite limited when compared to the greater body of evidence (in Holy Scripture) which is clearly supportive of alternative opinions. I pray that you will continue to study all the scriptures, not just those of that highly questionable, one time sworn enemy of Christ, which you and so many so-called Christians take to be the posthumous voice of Jesus himself.
You know who I'm talking about.

Theology is the science of Dominion.
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doctrbill
Member (Idle past 2791 days)
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From: Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Message 140 of 392 (512952)
06-22-2009 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by jaywill
06-22-2009 4:25 PM


Re: The Master's Will
jaywill writes:
The God of Israel is the one Uncreated Life and as such is the living God.
That is one opinion Jay, but it is not a Scriptural statement and it fails to explain a considerable number of scriptural statements which lead to a different conclusion.
That is what I am saying.
The theory which you espouse, is one with which I am quite familiar. It may seem plausible given the proof texts which are trotted out in favor of it but it avoids certain plain statements which you have also avoided in our brief discussion here. The preponderance of textual material which purports to explain "the Christ" is drawn from the writings of a man whose initial mission was to undermine the movement which Jesus had inspired. Seems to me that a man who never met Jesus and teaches things which apparently contradict Jesus, is a poor source of information regarding the nature of Jesus.
Do you suppose you could argue the nature of Christ without resorting those highly suspect writings of that insidious anti-Christian agent of the Jewish government?
Dare I hope?
Nonetheless I wish.

Theology is the science of Dominion.
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