Old Laws Still Valid?

You judge based on the only thing available, the perspective of your culture at your time in history. That's all there is to work with. It does. you are mixing up the actions with the concepts of morality.Morality and immorality DO evolve.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This OT law is certainly valid:Eze 18:4 "Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die."So would you rather have law or grace and truth?John 1:17 "For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ."

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

I think I am one of them people who needs working examples. If immorality evolves, does that mean something like; with the advent of firearms murderers had new methods? So immoral actions stay the same and the concepts evolve? Why do all roads lead here anyways? Morality, morlality, morality. It is such a dead horse, you are not obligated to respond.

What Law? More platitudes.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Not really. The advent of firearms has nothing to do with morality. Firearms are simply tools. Like any other tool they can be misused.The evolution of morality-immorality is that they are a continuum, a spectrum, two sides of a ledger. Things can move from the immoral side to the moral side.Slavery was moral, now it is seen as immoral.Eating shellfish was once seen as immoral, now it is amoral. Actions pretty much stay the same. Whether we consider the acts as moral, amoral or immoral is a matter of culture and era.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Yeah, I can bite. Even something as stupid as eating shellfish could be considered immoral at a time if there was a bad consequence to eating it, like disease, or how it was farmed, kind of like with the Boston Tea Party or the modern action of buying fur coats, which was certainly not immoral to do before.But then I guess you get those tricky ones like adultery. No matter how much it comes to be accepted as the norm, there are still people who are strongly opposed to it. Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

So who should I believe? You? Or the Apostle paul? I only have to be honest with myself and the answer is obvious. Unless of course I want to go back to my former ways and indulge myself.Romans 7:12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.The part about the law being relative, as in, 'Love thy neighbor as thyself', was well put. All the Laws are in terms of the relational, because God is a relational being. They are absolutely essential to community.Do you think this means that if I love myself by indulging in the pleasures of life, that I fulfill the law by sharing those indulgences with others?Is that what you're suggesting?I assume this is not so... and that you mean loving yourself and your neighbor with the holiest of intentions.So Ringo, as Jesus said, 'Do this, and you will live.'If you think you can do that, then you're a better man than I. The world is in need of your awesomeness.I don't even deserve to be in your presence!As for me, I need forgiveness and salvation because the Holy law brings death, not life.Consider: We suffer the cosequences of not attaining it already.You're very confused Ringo. The whole Bible is about nothing other than Perfection!That's the whole message I'm afraid... that reality is perfect, and we can have that instead of this fallen world, if we only recognize the Law and see ourselves in it's reflection. And when we see our sad state by looking at the Holiness of God, we will then see why it is we need His Son.It's pretty uncomplicated. But if you want an excuse to live whatever lifestyle that suits you, then the Bible is not your friend. But you can't redefine what it is.It is what it is- or should I say, He is- 'I am who I am'.

Why not just reason for yourself.Paul was wrong about other things. For example, Paul believed he was living in the "last days" and was clear about this repeatably.Romans 7:12? As someone said below... more platitudes.The Law of Holiness....Instructions of the cutting of beards and mixing of cloth is about Holiness - how ridiculous.

Why do you say that? Can you prove it?

Iceage,I don't think I have received an answer from you yet on why the Israelite kings had a reputation to the Syrians of being merciful.Has someone else answered on your behalf? If so could you indicate whose answer I should count as your own?Or if you just choose to ignore my question let me know also.ThanksEdited by jaywill, : No reason given.

The meaning of the Law?
Did I invent it's meaning?
Did it not precede me by many thousand years?
How can I make the Law conform to me?You mean bend everything to conform to my own bias and desire?I used to do that very thing. But then I took the red pill. Who wouldn't sacrifice their whole world, if they could exchange it for waking up in the real world?Mark 8:34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36 What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? 37 Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? And you don't think we are?The last days are the days after the appearence of Christ.What time do you want to believe it is? And do you think your belief will alter reality?No, reason is not mine to define. It is the law of non-contradiction, and it is the Law.A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. But His endures forever.Is that crazy or what?

If the Apostle Paul believed that he was living in the last days then why does he warn Timothy about the "last days" yet to come?"But know this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boasters, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy ... etc" (See Second Timothy 3:1,2)If Paul believed he was living in the "last days" then why does he tell his co-worker about the "last days" which "will come"?Iceage? Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Of course. There will always be those whose personal morality is different than the general morality.Usually, over time, we realize that morality is a bad source for laws.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I guess that is about where the debate stands over the whole theocracy vs democracy issue.

So this must mean that your personal morality is a bad source of laws. This must mean that your personal morality that morality is a bad source of laws is ALSO not trustworthy.