Old Laws Still Valid?

But the message is how to live that new life.And that's the topic here. Jesus said, "This is what I want you to do: Love God and love your neighbour as yourself." That is the law. That is the message. If you don't live that message, you have not "received" Jesus and you have not been "born again". Unless the law becomes your life, all your woo-woo mumbo-jumbo voodoo protestations about "salvation" are meaningless.And that is what you have not addressed: the law is significant only in how it effects our lives. The law that applied in the wilderness is obsolete.

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Ringo knows the Bible like the ends of his moustache. He makes some good points when he is interested And aside from the conspicuous absence of a place for sinners to remediate in, I have not noticed his ideas to be greivous mortal sins.

Let's see now. Is God merciful or not?In Genesis chapter 15 God tells Abraham that He will not bring Israel into the good land yet. They have to wait for another four hundred years. Why? Because the people of Canaan are not bad enough for God to bring such severe judgement on them.Genesis 15:16 - "And in the fourth generation they will come here again, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete"God will hold off. He needs another four hundred years at least before the Amorites are so evil that God has to come in with such a severe judgment. And this judgment most likely is not only to save the land but the earth. They are THAT bad that the human race is probably at stake.So then 400 years latter and the Canaanites (aka Amorites) are worthy of judgment. Does God come in right away? No. He gives them another 40 years to either disperse or repent.Israel wanders in the desert for 40 years. The Canaanites have in reputation what the army of Jehovah can do. News of what God wreaked on Egypt has made them a fearful people. Some of the people of Jericho are scared to death.God seems willing to give those societies another 40 years of mercy. Meantime, more child sacrifices and sexual acts with animals, etc.Finally, after 40 years the hardest of the hard remain in the land of Canaan. Those who saw judgment coming probably either left or I assume otherwise exempted from the terrible judgment to come. I don't know for sure without more study. But the hardest of the hard remain when the army of Jehovah comes.I do see God commanding execution without pity in some cases. I do not see God commanding the Jews - "Thou shalt rape women". I don't see that. I do see a severe judgment upon the people of Canaan. In some cases it is genocide.Yet at the same time the Israelite kings got a reputation with the Syrians as being merciful kings.What the eternal destiny of those slain by the sword is not known by me in those cases. I do know that Jesus said in essence that men would stand up in the last judgment and in effect say "What was it with you people anyway? If this Jesus had come to us we would have repented long ago."So, I wonder if more severe divine judgment, than was to the Canaanites is reserved for those who oppose the Son of God as is commonly done since He walked the earth 2,000 years ago.Do skeptics of the Bible really take everything into account in a fair way?Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

You haven't read any of this thread, or the rape thread? You haven't read Numbrs 31?

I explained to you how the Old Laws were still valid in that they bring us to a knowledge of sin and our need for a Savoir, but you reject this Bible truth.Jesus Himself declares that salvation and the gift of eternal life is found in Him alone (John 5:39-40), but you reject this Bible truth as well.The God who created the universe and all the laws of science (the system of evolution was created by man) is infinitely bigger than my puny brain, or yours either. This one thing I know: Everyone is a sinner and needs a Savoir, but you reject this Bible truth as well.

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

God is a just God and He will deal justly with those who may never have heard the saving Gospel of Christ (Rom 2:11-16).The question for you is this: What will you do with the saving Gospel of Christ

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

Yada, yada, yada.Of course I reject that interpretation because it makes God small, petty, picayune and evil.But whether or not I reject your concept of Bible Truth has nothing to do with the topic.Why is it so hard for some of you to address the topic instead of bringing in all these irrelevancies?In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Old Laws Still Valid?" not whether or not I reject your puny little caricature of GOD.Way back in Message 96 I listed some old laws. If you think they are still valid then perhaps you can present your best support for their validity.

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The message Jesus gives is that you can't truly live the message until you are first "born again" by the Spirit of God, having your sins covered by His shed blood. Then you are in a position to allow Jesus' message to be worked and lived out through you by the power of God's Spirit.It's as simple and as difficult as that!

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

Read my lips:"I explained to you how the Old Laws were still valid in that God brings us to a knowledge of sin and our need for a Savoir, but you reject this Bible truth."This is what the Bible teaches about the purpose of the Old Covenant Laws. Since you reject this Bible truth, why do you bother with anything God says in His Word?

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10

Once again, this is Bible Study, not your personal blog for your personal, unfounded opinions.I have quoted the Bible, where Jesus tells us to love our neighbours as ourselves. Anybody can do that whether or not they've been hosed down by the "blood of the Lamb". Muslims do it. Hindus do it. Atheists do it. Even some Christians do it, if they're not too blinded by rhetoric.You don't need anything you don't already have. By kindergarten, you were able to love your neighbour as yourself.Put the parrot back in his cage and quote the Bible to back up your ideas. Show us where it says you can't love your neighbour as yourself.Hint: Think of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:30-37).

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I read them and they were moving BUT there was NOTHING coming out related to the Topic.Whether or not I reject your interpretations of Bible Truths is irrelevant and off topic.In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Old Laws Still Valid?"Back in Message 96 I posted some old laws that are no longer valid.If you wish to make a case for those laws being valid then please do so but quite with the off topic silly nonsense about whether or not I accept Biblical Truth. For one thing, you ain't got a clue what the Biblical Truth is.

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The thread was started on 11/29/2006I have participated in it or in one very close to it. But you are right that I have not gone back to the beginning. It sounds like something discussed at least the second time since I have been a participant.Strickly speaking, no I have not recently gone back from the start to read all posts.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

The question was, Did Christians use Jesus as an excuse to eat shrimp?Well, that is an extreme paraphrase, but I really haven't seen anyone answer the question. We have gone as far as saying, NO we do not follow the judicial laws of ancient Israel any longer.We still follow the moral laws, some Jews follow some of the old laws.When and why did christians stop following the old laws?

One of the reasons this is relevant because God had to take considerable time to establish one thing. That is His hatred for sin.Some of the severe penelaties in the Old Testament do the job of teaching us that sin is an abomination to God. We do not have the Savior Jesus coming right after the third chapter of Genesis. He doesn't come in the beginning of Exodus. Time is needed to educate the Jews and all mankind for that matter of the divine retribution for sins.That Christ died on the cross for our sins would not mean as much if God had not taken the Old Testament time to establish the awfulness of sin and His judgements upon it. This wrath is accomplished upon Christ on our behalf. He is the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the whole world. Marvelous.Secondly, the fall of man was a Anti-salvation. This is the first time I have ever heard this term used anywhere. I think it is useful to help people understand what the born again experience is. It is to undo the effects of the Satanic nature being "born" into man.To be born again is not to receive a ticket to go to heaven. It is to reverse the Satanification of man. The fall brought mankind into a union with Satan. Or let me put it this way:Satan usually tries to run ahead of God and create a false parellel of God's plan. God wanted to dispense His life into man. That is why He placed Adam before "the tree of life". Instead of God imparting His life and nature into man, the seduced man received the Satanic nature. Man became Satanified - infested with a cosmic evil spiritual force.We don't understand everything about this host / parasite relationship man has with "the spirit which is now operating in the sons of disobdience." (EPh.2:2).But the rebirth and regeneration with the Spirit of God is the Salvation verses the Anti-salvation of man being Satanified in his union with God's enemy.Christ came to exactly REVERSE the Devil's process and mingle God with man.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Yes, this is Bible study. When one studies the Bible - God's love letter to man, one studies the SUM of God's truth, not just a few verses that suit your personal opinions. When you reject the blood of Jesus which covers your sin and make light of your need to be "born again" as Jesus declared, then you are blinded of the true message of the Bible.

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The evil one comes to steal, kill and destroy; but I Jesus have come that you might have eternal Life and have eternal Life more abundantly - John 10:10