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Author Topic:   Evolution by Definition
New Cat's Eye
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Message 12 of 74 (454040)
02-05-2008 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by tesla
02-04-2008 10:55 PM


Re: ill "try"
so hmm. what can cause these biological changes?
environmental changes.
choice in mateing.
choice in habits.
mutations.
disease/microbes (or whatever i mean by that lol i think you know.)
all living things are subject to these things, and over time all things adapt and change by these things.
You shouldn't make absolute statements like this. When you say that it is all living thing, then you only need one example of a living thing that is not subject to those things to refutue your statement. You should say most, and then not base your arguments on absolutes.
Plants can have no choice in their mate nor their habitat and so can some animals like sponges or coral.
would it be wrong then to say that since stars change in timely manners based on environmental changes, that it could be considered evolution?
In the vaguest sense, evolution is just change over time. Seeing as it is pointless to have a whole thread devoted to that, it seems that Phat is talking about defining biological evolution.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 14 of 74 (454045)
02-05-2008 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by tesla
02-05-2008 10:18 AM


Re: ill "try"
you are quoting points that led to a conclusion
You mean premises?
when it is the conclusion that is relevant to debate.
If I show that your premises are false, then so is your conclusion.
That's how debating works.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 16 of 74 (454131)
02-05-2008 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by tesla
02-05-2008 5:19 PM


Re: ill "try"
i debate for the truth.
Bullshit.
if you are debating points that lead to a conclusion that made the points irrelevant, you have redefined the object of the debate.
I already said in Message 13 that in the vaguest sense, evolution = change.
You didn't reply to that tho.
ie: a cup is a cup value 4
2+2=4.
a sophist says its ceramic not a cup.
ceramic is value 3.
2+2=3 (false)
so then ceramic has to be defined before you can go back to the initial item of scrutiny, "cup".
That is one of the most retarded things I have ever read.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 18 of 74 (454139)
02-05-2008 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by tesla
02-05-2008 5:43 PM


Re: ill "try"
OK. ill go along with that. but it needs more definition.
change where? change how ?
Well, sense this thread is suppose to be about biological evolution, it would be changes in a population via the natural selection of genetic mutations.
But you seem to want to describe evolution in a very vague sense. SO, in the vaguest sense it is just change. Your going to have to add a qualifier if you want it do describe something more specific.

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