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MartinV 
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Message 42 of 86 (405540)
06-13-2007 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by jhs
06-10-2007 2:21 PM


Re: It's official!
As for criticizing Darwinian emphases on constant and gradual change, while the quote from Darwin indicates that he recognized that there could be stasis, it is obvious from the total corpus of his writing that he believed this to be a minor case.
And yet according view of evolutionary biologist Jaroslav Flegr from Charles University Prague stasis is the basic evolutionary phenomenon. He wrote an intresting book "Frozen Evolution or, that’s not the way it is, Mr. Darwin". He is also author of monography "Evolutionary biology".
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What is the actual basis for my heresy? While Darwin’s original theory assumed that the species that are encountered in nature are evolutionarily plastic and more or less willing to respond to the selection pressure of the environment - i.e. usefully adapt to its changes, the new theory 1.4 assumes to the contrary that the vast majority of species does nothing of the sort and, in fact, cannot do so. These are species that I will call evolutionarily frozen in this book. These species respond to changes in their environment like rubber - initially they give in to the environmental pressure and change somewhat, however, the more their traits differ from the original state, the greater resistance they exert against the pressure until, at a certain point, they cease to react to even the greatest pressure. While, in a Darwinistic world, all the species gladly develop and continuously change in response to ever newer demands from a changing environment, in a world with frozen plasticity, species remain more or less unaltered and mostly only sadly wait until the changes in their environment accumulate to such a degree that they will have no other alternative than to simply pass into extinction.
The quotation and the content of the "Frozen evolution" in english is at:
Frozen Evolution. Or, that’s not the way it is, Mr. Darwin. A Farewell to Selfish Gene. | Introduction to Frozen plasticity theory by Jaroslav Flegr.
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MartinV 
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Message 46 of 86 (405575)
06-13-2007 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Percy
06-13-2007 3:16 PM


Re: It's official!
I suppose because he was unable to publish his ideas on evolution in any respectable biology journal, so like you he sought other outlets...
You somehow have adressed my post, you know.
Anyway the same is valid for young Eldredge and Gould. They were aware that they have no chance in "respectable paleontology journal" and published first their views in the conference proceedings.
It seems that such procedure is almost standard in the cases of new thoughts. See Social Stusies of Science 23:342-362 1993 and Science Cmmunication 16:304-325, 1995.

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MartinV 
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Message 53 of 86 (405722)
06-14-2007 2:39 PM
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06-13-2007 8:34 PM


Re: It's official!
In other words, rather than seeking the benefit of scrutiny and criticism from their peers, they instead try to avoid it. And as one would expect, ideas that are unhoned by the review process are not very sharp.
It's your point of view. Giordano Bruno's opinions didn't pass scrutiny of Oxford pundits once. I dont think his opinions were honed by discussion with arrogant Oxford doctors at that time.
From the modern era I would like to mention professor Zdenek Neubauer Charles University Prague, scientist and philosopher (1943) - he also wrote speeches for president Vaclav Havel. In the recent time he has stopped to publish in English and avoid any publicity. He publishes only in Czech and Italian. As a polyglote he helped to translate ancient "Corpus Hermeticum" into Czech from Greek.
Now scientific community hate him because he turned to be some kind of antiscientist and ridiculed science as well as darwinism. He somehow continues in tradition of German thinking of Goethe, Nietzsche and Adolf Portmann (Neubauer traslated his "Neue wege der Biologie" from German. You know Portmann was a close friend of psychiatrist C.G.Jung). Neubauer wrote many books, articles, University lecture notes.
Neubauer published once in the Nature too:
Neubauer: A brief consideration on the meaning of the lysogenic conversion. Nature (1967) 213:1263
Oppenheim, Neubauer, Calef, Antirepressor: A new element in genetical regulation. Nature (1970) 226:31
All his scientific and philosophical works are to be found here:
Neubauer bibliography
Neubauer called darwinists "sorcerers" who almost killed Nature like Snowwhite. He critised darwinism very strongly, he use words like "molecular genetic coup" etc (2001).
I would agree that such opinions do not pass any scientific scrutiny, but obviously professor Neubauer is not afraid of such a scrutiny - he doesn't care.
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MartinV 
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Message 55 of 86 (405740)
06-14-2007 4:29 PM
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06-14-2007 3:13 PM


Re: It's official!
don't know why you believe his ideas didn't benefit from his time at Oxford. Certainly many of his ideas did not receive a favorable reception, and what better way to hone arguments than on the grindstone of debate with the best minds of the day.
Giordano Bruno had obviously differennt meaning of "the best minds" from Oxford as you.
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...there rules in that happy realm a constellation of pedantic, most obstinate ignorance and presumption, mixed with a boorish impoliteness that would vitiate the patience of job, and if you do not believe this, go to Oxford and let them tell you the things that happened to the Nolan.
From "The Ash Wednsday Supper".

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