Evolutionary Adaptation

If you can't come up with a better answer, stay out of the science forums.That is why Biblical Creationism will never be science.But it is still an insufficient answer. I too am a Creationist, a Christian Creationist, but I have not decided to forego the god given capability of critical thinking and adopt wilfull ignorance. Like every major US Christian Church, I accept that the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of how GOD did it and reject the teaching of Biblical Creationism or ID. I oppose the wilfull attempt by many Christians to raise children in ignorance.As said in the open letter Clergy Project, signed by over 10,000 US Christian Clergy: If you can present evidence that can be independant verified using scientific rigor that can show where there is some barrier that cannot allow microevolution to accumulate over time into macro changes, then fine, bring it on. Until then the evidence that life evolved that humans are just another of the primates, is overwhelming. To deny that takes an act of wilfull ignorance.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Someone who cares' views are not the topic of this thread, if you wish to discuss them with him then set up a new thread.TTFN,AW

In the scenario Modulous described it would not be a genetic change, it would be the lack of sufficient nourishment for the child as you suggest.There are examples of epigenetic factors such as DNA methylation and changes in histone acetylation/methylation which can be environmentally induced and produce heritable variation which is not due to the primary sequence of the DNA.TTFN,WKEdited by Wounded King, : added link to article on epigenetics

True, but the case I was trying to remember was that this tendency appears in the undernourished adult's offspring and perhaps their offspring as well...which would imply an epigenetic influence. Unfortunately I'm failing to find the cause but the study surrounded some small European village.The only similar study I can find is about a Dutch famine where the infants had a tendency towards obesity - perhaps an epigenetic instruction advising the offspring to build up a store of fat in case of famine.

"A reproductive community."

That doesn't seem very likely biblically, as Leviticus 11 (or Deut.14) has "kinds" of herons, hawks, and ravens, and lists owls, great owls, and little owls separately, apparently as "kinds" of their own.

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Evolution is/has been about natural selection, right?
I've heard all sorts of theories about adaptation, but haven't found them all in one place.

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Is adaptation to an enviroment possible? Lets say you move a group of a hundred people out to an island thats made of broken glass. Assuming they died natural deaths, would their feet harden over the years? In other words, would they adapt to their surroundings and pass that on to their children?
Possible?

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No, a person in the poorer countries (where everyone goes barefoot and has hardened skin) still have children that has soft feet. Our ancestors mostly had barefeet and were more physicaly stronger and hard working than todays people. We are all still born soft and need to workout to be strong.

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There is some evidence that mother's who are starving (ie during a famine), will give birth to smaller kids (smaller kids will fit through smaller maternal bodies easier than big kids)...your environment can affect the offspring.

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That could be because the mother was starving and didnt had enough nutrients to privide a normal sized baby. There are some short mothers though, who gives birth to larger babies, which also grow larger than their parents.

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If you have some evidence bring it on but goddidit ain't gonna cut it.

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If God created the universe andevery atom of this universe. It would be possible for Him to change anything He wanted in science, wouldn't He?

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Read "Time Has an End" by, H. Camping for great evdence that the Bible is true and the word of God. You can read it online at Time Has An End

Which is precisely why 'God did it' is a useless explanation in a scientific forum. It doesn't explain anything it merely attributes the fact that it happened to God and then gives up and goes home for a bath. If we can't rely on somethings behaviot to be at least somewhatconsistent from one instant to the next then the opportunity to studying it scientifically is virtually non-existent.TTFN,WK

to which Crue Knight replied :

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If God created the universe and every atom of this universe. It would be possible for Him to change anything He wanted in science, wouldn't He?

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Sure could, and if that were true, if GOD actually did do that, then we need to abandon science and return to magic.If what you say is true, then we can not make any predictions about any event. We cannot know if water freezes at 32^o F because that is a property of water, or because God stepped in and changed it. We cannt tell what the real strength of the concrete holding up the Dumbarton Bridge is, or the steel supports either.A world where some power can step in and change things on a whim is a world of magic, one of wizards not scientists.Sure it is possible that God might step in and change things, but that is not a world where you can then trust reality.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Ok, let's start with the genetic code. The barrier is the genetic code, the DNA. See, the DNA is preprogrammed when an offspring is born. The code, even with mutations, cannot produce new evolving body parts or tissues or cells. The code of a fish doesn't have anything in it about legs. Now, even if a mutation happened, or millions of them, this would not change the code, the fish still doesn't have any code for legs, or for part of them, or to even start evolving them. So, the fish could not ever evolve legs and crawl out on land, even with many generations filled with mutations, it won't happen. A mutation only changes previously existing information, it cannot make new information for things the creature does not already have.And I am sorry to hear that you are a Creationist who believes in evolution.I am not ignorant, I read my Bible, and I believe God Created all the creatures and plants. And I have yet to see evolution prove itself, macroevolution.

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"If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown

That's pretty vague. Anything more precise?

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"If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown

Why? How? What is the barrier?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What's vague about it? You don't know what reproduction is? You don't know what a community is?

That's why I said I can't really define it. Linnaeus probably wouldn't have been able to classify the taxons exactly where the Biblical "kind" could fit in.

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"If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown

You think we can continue discussing this here?The barrier is the genetic code itself! During meiosis, the information is taken from the parents, and so the offspring will be like the parents. When it is born, the code is preset. The code cannot be altered to allow changes that would start evolving new body parts or something.

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"If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown