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Author Topic:   Potential falsifications of the theory of evolution
Tanypteryx
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Message 318 of 968 (593590)
11-27-2010 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by ICANT
11-27-2010 7:48 PM


Re: First things first
ICANT writes:
Does it take intelligence to understand what is preached about the ToE here at EvC?
yes
If this old country boy is ignorant please explain to me how we can start a theory of evolution when we have no life form to begin with?
Well, the Theory of Evolution did not start until someone started studying living things. We do have life forms and that is what is evolving.
As I understand it the Toe is an attempted explanation of how that first life form has produced all the life forms on planet earth.
The ToE explains how living organisms have changed since the earliest ancestors right up to the diversity of life we see today.
The problem is there is no verifiable direct evidence that such an occurance has ever taken place.
Good! Scientists love problems.
Are you saying that you have evidence that falsifies the Theory of evolution (the topic of this thread)? The fossil record and genetics are both verifiable direct evidence of the past history of life and how all life is related.
There is no evidence of transmutation evertaking place.
I have no idea what you mean by transmutation. I thought that was what alchemists were trying to do (turn lead into gold).
There is no direct evidence of 'Macro-Evolution' having ever taken place from all the little mutations that occur in species.
We are going to need more than your word for it if you are going to give us a potential falsification of the ToE. We do have a huge amount of evidence that micro-evolution happens.
In the Can I disprove Macro-Evolution thread Message 237 I addressed your mis-understandings about Macro-Evolution.
Here is some of that post.
Tanypteryx writes:
In this discussion, the point that we are trying to make, is that there is really ONLY micro-evolution. Micro-evolution keeps going on and on and on
In the populations during and after a speciation event micro-evolution keeps right on happening, continuing on and on and on and if another speciation event happens, it keeps going on and on and on in the new populations.but, in each of the new populations the micro-evolution that is happening is different from all of the others, because they were all separated at each speciation event.
So, the only thing that is happening to these species is micro-evolution. There is no separate mechanism that suddenly starts happening called macro-evolution. The species are micro-evolving and slowly getting a little more different from each other each generation and the differences may not even be noticeable for many generations.
The micro-evolution continues on forever until the species goes extinct. If an individual in a population dies before it has a chance to reproduce, then the long line of micro-evolution that happened to all of its ancestors, back through the past, to the first common ancestor ends. If other members of the species are still alive then every time they reproduce micro-evolution is continuing on in each generation.
We humans love to categorize things into various groups. Animals and plants and other organisms seem to fall into some obvious groupings. We find it convenient name the groups and we have been doing this as long as people have been studying living things. Macro-evolution is just a label that we use to denote points along those long lines of micro-evolution that are happening in every lineage in every species when they reproduce. It is not a separate or different kind of evolution.
If you are going to give us a potential falsification of the Theory of Evolution it needs to be a little more precise than what you have said so far.
Enjoy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 345 of 968 (596065)
12-12-2010 6:02 PM


Bump for ICANT
Hi ICANT,
Back in Message 318 I tried to clear up your mis-understandings about Macro-Evolution.
ICANT writes:
There is no direct evidence of 'Macro-Evolution' having ever taken place from all the little mutations that occur in species.
You did not respond and disappeared from the scene. This is the second time I tried to help you understand only to have you run away. The first was here: Can I disprove Macro-Evolution thread Message 237.
I suppose the next time you pop in, you will spout this nonsense again, ignoring the fact that someone tried to explain it to you.

Tactimatically speaking, the molecubes are all mixed up. -- S.Valley
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley

Tanypteryx
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Message 347 of 968 (598803)
01-02-2011 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by ICANT
11-27-2010 7:48 PM


Re: Bump for ICANT
Hi ICANT,
Back in Message 318 I tried to clear up your mis-understandings about Macro-Evolution.
ICANT writes:
There is no direct evidence of 'Macro-Evolution' having ever taken place from all the little mutations that occur in species.
You did not respond and disappeared from the scene. This is the second time I tried to help you understand only to have you run away. The first was here: Can I disprove Macro-Evolution thread Message 237.
I suppose the next time you pop in, you will spout this nonsense again, ignoring the fact that someone tried to explain it to you.

Tactimatically speaking, the molecubes are out of alignment. -- S.Valley
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley

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Tanypteryx
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Message 354 of 968 (598941)
01-04-2011 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 348 by ICANT
01-03-2011 12:45 AM


Re: Bump for ICANT
Hi ICANT, welcome back.
ICANT writes:
Had you read what I had written in that thread you would not be supprised that I did not answer your nonsense.
OK, I did read what you wrote in that thread before I posted. So could you do me the courtesy of pointing out just which parts of my explanation you think are nonsense?
You posted some information from Berkely Evolution 101 "What is macroevolution?"
What do YOU think their description means?
Berkeley Evolution 101 writes:
Macroevolution encompasses the grandest trends and transformations in evolution, such as the origin of mammals and the radiation of flowering plants. Macroevolutionary patterns are generally what we see when we look at the large-scale history of life.
When we look at a tree diagram that shows the major branches of different related groups of organisms like the Mammals we see the Mammals are all on the same branch. Now if we were to zoom in on the base of that branch we would see that there was a single species that was barely any different from the species it split from. When those two populations stopped interbreeding they continued changing, minutely, each generation. They slowly become a little less like each other each generation. This is microevolution and it continues so each generation is a little different than the one before it. Eventually something happens and the species that is on the Mammal branch splits again. (This split could be something as simple as being on two side of a river or differences in food preferences or changes in behavior.)
The point I am trying to make is that from generation to generation microevolution keeps happening. If there was an observer watching they would see populations of animals slowly changing and occasionally splitting into subpopulations that continue to slowly change independently. The observer would just see species slowly changing. They would not say to themselves "Aha, this is going to be the Mammals and there will be thousands of species of Mammals. It is only millions of years later when we look at the thousands of living Mammal species and the tens of thousands of extinct Mammal species that we can see what happend and try to understand it.
There was never a special different kind of process that raised a big flag and said "This is a Macroevolutionary Event". It was just microevolution happening every generation. It is only when we see the results of these simple early branchings millions of years later that the trends become apparent.
It is possible that simple splits in populations happening today will lead to what would be seen, millions of years from now, as major branches on the tree of life.
I know you will reject what I have explained, but at least I tried.
Enjoy

Tactimatically speaking, the molecubes are out of alignment. -- S.Valley
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley

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Tanypteryx
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Message 362 of 968 (599742)
01-10-2011 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by ICANT
01-09-2011 12:34 AM


Re: Bump for ICANT
Ahhhhh, I see where I went wrong now. Thanks for setting me straight.

Tactimatically speaking, the molecubes are out of alignment. -- S.Valley
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley

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