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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
So, is there any one out there on tinterweb who can provide a smoking gun and support it with actual evidence? no if there was he would be getting a noble prize, though there was one claim once uppon a time that actualy had merrit. A one cellular organism forgot the name had a interesting way of movement it had a "motor" some other parts and the tail sticking out that got rotated by the "motor" it was argued that evolution could not produce such a thing cause it was too complex to evolve as a single system, and the parts on their own where conshiderd ussles so it was proposed that it could not have evolved from combining other parts in to this whole that works. It got debunked later one though some creos still use the little critter though they do not know why it was a problem for evolution usualy when the organisem gets pointed out by creos they mention everything about it except the initial problem it atcualy posed. they usualy show a video of the organism moving and say look at that thing it can move so fast and stop on a dime evolution could not have made it. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Ahhhh. You have provided a good example. Can I use it?. Let's say the straws are the mutation rate, and each of the straws weighs very little. Gen 1 has no straws. Gen 2, each camel in the population gets 100 straws. (100 mutations per generation) That's no problem for all the camels. Gen 100 all the camels are still standing fine with 100000 staws each. At Gen 200 some of the weak camels start dropping because of the weight of the straws, and they are selected against. Only the strongest camels survive (now remember, the strongest camels are still carrying their straws). At Gen 5000 there is no camel that can withstand the load. The population goes extinct. You see, the problem is that the strongest camels surviving each generation are still carrying and passing on their load of mutations. Individually, none of these straws are a problem. But eventually, they do add up. no the camel whit no straws has a better chance of survival and is selected for cause it dose not haveto spend extra energy carrying the straws
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
And why can't they adapt. I mean we've supposedly been thru all kinds of extinction events. So what's the big deal. Man wasn't around for any of those. Mean ole nature did it. Like the ones we try to make extinct do? Irony in its purest form, we do our best to make rats, roches, weeds, and simmilar species go extinct though some how they adapt to our poisons, traps ..... and yet when we remove the haitat of a simple panda bear, or hunt some animals for their furs like the lion , tiger, ape they end up on the endangerd species list. Well that is the point of mass extinctions not a whole lot is left arround at one point there was a 95% species exstinction, to put it in numbers you would understand if 95% of all humans died today there would be 350 000 people left on the planet NOT ALL CAN ADAPT TO THEIR NEW ENVIORMENT IN TIME !!!! and those that do usualy evolve to survive better in these new conditions and slowly but surly the planet gets filled whit life once again. Now tell me how can a lion adapt so he will not be hunted by humans for sport or that he can beat humans in this hunt. How can a panda evolve that he gets to keep his home or should he move in to the city and get a job???
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Now you clearly realize that small populations can inbreed, yet still grow/expand an survive quite well. The only question then is why some can, and some cannot. Why do some small populations experience inbreeding depression, and why do some not? What about Parthenogenesis some lice get pregnat while they are still in the womb of the momma louse the males develope faster and have sex whit every female louse in there then they die and the females awaken eat trough the momma louse and the cycle restarts. Why do they not experience genetic meltdown in essence every female is inpregnated by her brother and still no meltdown. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
They moult five times, becoming with each change of skin darker in colour; in about three weeks they become adult and capable of laying parthenogenetic eggs. In this way the insect increases with appalling rapidity: it has been calculated that a single mother which dies after laying her eggs in March would have over 25,000,000 descendants by October
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Phylloxera I would say they have a very high fecundity.
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
To cover that quarter would still have to cover 100% of the earth to over 29000 feet according to your mythological book of genesis. Well to put it in prespective. The earth has a surface of 510 072 000 km To cover Mount everest the wathers would need to be 9 kilometers high So we would need 4 590 648 000 Km3 of water to cover the whole Earth from the sea level to the top of mount everest. How did that wather get heare and how did it go away aggain well simple god did it.
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
If most of the water that was used to cover this land mass came from the sea what would be the problem of it going back into the sea? So what you are basicly saying is that a worldwide cunami struck all the continents and washed everything away except fo noas ark that was held together by gods own 2 hands so the huge horizont covering cunami did not brake it apart like twigs. If someone told that kind of story in my country the usualy response would be: (trtanslated to my best abileties) "and then you wake up whit your D%&$ in your hand and your tumb up your A$$" Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Prediction: If evolution is true, the fossil record will be full of the remains of transitional species. like the ones listed here and more found every year ? List of transitional fossils - Wikipedia Though what you are asfking fore is every single transitional species has to be found before you belive in evolution well sorry to dissapoint you but fossils form very rarely if fossilization took place every time a critter died there would be a whole bunch more fossils found and more transitional species. to put a contra to your argument if ID was true god would show himself at leat once a year on a global news network he never did so id is false. Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
What an absolute crock. Take a look around at the millions of fossils that are forming right now. ORLY Can you show me an example? If there are so many you can probably take a shovel and dig in your garden take a pitc an post it here? Can you make a fossil of a bunny rabbit please i always wanted one il pay you. (plese note i want a fossil not bones and not Kaclification but fossilization where the bone is replaced by minerals and stuff not covered in kalcijum, or other rock like stuff.
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
We would be up to our freaking armpits in transitional fossils- if evolution was true. No we would be up to our freaking armpits in all manner of fossils if your teory of how fossils form and what fossils are where true.
In most cases, the fossilization process began when a plant or animal died and was quickly covered with sediments, usually at the bottom of a body of water. The loose sediments protected the bodily remains from the elements, bacteria and other forces that cause weathering and decay. This slowed the decaying process down so that some of the remains (in most cases, only hard material like bone or shell) were preserved for thousands of years. During this time, sediment layers continued to collect above the bone. Eventually, these sediment layers became hard, solid rock.
from What is a fossil? | HowStuffWorks Sometime after this hard rock layer formed, water percolated down through the rock and washed the preserved remains away. Since the rock above was hard and rigid, it didn't fall down into the empty space where the remains used to be. This empty space formed a natural mold of the animal, perfectly preserving the shape of the original remains. In some cases, percolating water carried minerals into the mold. These minerals hardened to make a natural cast of the form, just as an artist might make a sculpture cast by filling a mold with plaster. All the original organic material disappeared, but nature left a precise mineral reproduction of the plant or animal remains. In cases where minerals did not fill the mold, paleontologists may fill it themselves, creating an artificial cast. This is one of the ways fossils form, Fossils are not what some creationists think "Stuff covered by something simmilar to rock" Sorry the Stuff hasto decompose/get washed away later, and get filled whit other materials usualy some form of mineral. You where probably shown some pitcures on some creationist site. The pitcures showed hats, water mills, the insides of a washing machine , and other stuff covered by limestone or something simmilar and they called them fossils and said well this one formed in 20 years sorry those are not fossils. Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 327 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Tanypteryx
The problem is most creos and IDists have their facts wrong, they have been either lied to or they never understud what evolution is. They think that at some point a chicken gives birth to a half crocodile half chicken, while that is not the case. Small steps add to big steps every generation changes only a bit and after a lot of generations those little bits add up to a lot.There is no real big transmutation from the parrent to the offspring there is a big transmutation between a grate grate........ and "a few hundred grates more" parent and the new generation.
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