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Chiroptera
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Message 7 of 180 (458323)
02-28-2008 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lyston
02-28-2008 12:21 AM


God says that each animal was created with the ability to reproduce.
Not to me he doesn't. Now there are some people who tell me that this is what God says, but people are fallible so I don't know how much I should trust what they say.
These same people also want to convince me that they have a book that was written by God, but, well, this seems a bit far fetched, so now I really have doubts about their trustworthiness.
Unless God actually walks up to us, presents some ID so we know who he is, and explains to us to our faces what's what, then, by definition, he really isn't saying anything at all, and I think we should focus our attention on what the actual observable evidence indicates.

If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

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Chiroptera
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Message 161 of 180 (463331)
04-15-2008 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by godservant
04-15-2008 12:44 PM


A Little Help is on the way.
Hi, godservant.
I have my degrees in physics and mathematics. If you are having some difficulty with thermodynamics and entropy, then I might be able to help you out. In fact, I just checked and my thermodynamics text books are right on the shelf across the room. Ask away!

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 166 of 180 (463337)
04-15-2008 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by godservant
04-15-2008 1:07 PM


Re: A Little Help is on the way.
The law of entropy suggests a decay of things over time and the law of thermodynamics speaks of a transfer of energy from one form to another....
The law of thermodynamics suggest that you cannot transfer more energy than is produced or remaining in the subject transfering that energy.
These aren't quite correct. If you would like, I'll pull my textbooks off the shelf and quote to you exactly the Second Law of Thermodynics as well as the exact meaning of entropy.
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We see entropy all around us, everything decays overtime.
We also see the opposite. For example, a single cell develops into a complex adult organism under the rather mundane laws of physics and chemistry.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Chiroptera
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Message 175 of 180 (463377)
04-15-2008 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by godservant
04-15-2008 1:31 PM


Re: A Little Help is on the way.
So you've changed the subject from entropy to information. Would I be correct in assuming that you admit that you now realize that thermodynamics do not preclude biological evolution in any way?
At any rate, this has been ruled off-topic. If you want to continue to discuss whether or not evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics, I have found several thread that are still open and deal with this issue.
The thread 2nd Law and Open / Closed Systems is the latest; it appears that there has been some discussion there, and you may find some of the information interesting.
The thread Second Law of Thermodynamics is also relatively recent -- only a couple of years old, and there may be some interesting information there as well. (Added by edit: Oops, I just noticed that this thread is closed. But the discussion may still be informative.)
Thermodynamics, Abiogenesis and Evolution is an older thread.
A Question about Evolution (2nd Law of Thermodynamics) predates my involvement here at EvC by a month or so; it never seemed to take off, so it may be ripe for resurrection.
Finally, the thread Is evolution the only thing to contradict the Second law of Thermodynamics? is way, way old, but perhaps this can be brought back up as well.
Anyway, the topic of thermodynamics is not appropriate here; if you want to discuss it, then you can bring it to one of the aforementioned threads. If not, I would like to discuss it and so I may bring one of these threads back up.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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