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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
iano writes: You've said very little (if anything) which directly tackles either EI,MI,T1 on the macro scale. By all means do so Actually, you've said little or nothing to back up your assertion that "indoctrination" rules. So far, everybody who has responded to you is an exception to the rule. How about some substance from you before you start demanding it from others? People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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CK Member (Idle past 4155 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
But what makes TOE specifically different?
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
And you are suggesting all of this without providing any evidence that this is actually happening, or even that it is even possible. At the start of my explaination of EI,MI,T1 I stated that these where the topics for now. What happens next; for instance how this might affect a scientist in his work, could arise after the above are established, if they're established. No point in pulling the thing all over the place. Step by step, easy on the throttle and all that... ;0 Anything to say about EI,MI,T1?
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Afternoon CK. You going to easy on me today then..?
Anything to say on EI,MI,T1? (Was riding home last night and thought to myself 'Intellectual Cocaine' is right. Ping!!....better start typing less!) Sorry, missed your last post. Why Evo? It's a free world ain't it? This message has been edited by iano, 07-29-2005 12:01 PM
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
So, is this an admission that you don't have anything of substance to say?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Chiroptera writes: So, is this an admission that you don't have anything of substance to say? *cough* Troll *cough* People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Yes, I also noticed that he's awfully gleeful about wasting bandwidth.
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PurpleYouko Member Posts: 714 From: Columbia Missouri Joined: |
Hi to you too Iano.
Why someone would continually beat a view into someone to convince of something they had never heard of? Never heard of evolution; no tv, no books, nobody outside the household...see defintion of MI for a more complete list then re-evaluate. I take your statement to be a little hyperbolic. If it's not hyperbole and you've really never ever heard of evolution, yet lived in an average scientifically exposed society, then you would form a very tiny minority.
I did say "other than from my mother". Seriously she was the only source of information wrt evolution until about the age of 16. It was never mentioned in school and I don't remember seeing anything about it in any of the books I read as a child. I was 10 before my dad bought our first B&W TV and the only thing we watched on the 2 available channels was news, sport and re-runs of Charlie Chapelin and Buster keaton. (Incidentally we were one of the first families in the village to actually have a TV so I think I was pretty typical of kids in my area in the early 60s.)The fact is that my mother did a pretty good job of keeping me isolated from any prejedicial outside influences. However it only served to fuel my need for knowledge. Many of my friends just accepted what they were told and grew up to become farmers or mechanics or factory workers. Nothing wrong with that but it was never enough for me. "Uranium dating methods have shown that the earth is in fact 4500 million years old"...and said to yourself "but my mother told me it was only 4000 years old!!" Impressive it may have been, but at this point you were not yet at the level of knowledge to understand the intricacies of Uranium dating to know if it was accurate or whether the folk applying it where using it accurately. In other words, whether Uranium dating is accurate or not is not the point here.
I was around 16 and had long since begun to see problems with the biblical timescale. None of it made sense, even internally. That was why I went looking for science.
point is, you assumed it was true before you knew it to be true. That's EI at work.
No I didn't assume anything was true. The first thing the science texts taught me was that science is based on evidence and observations (OK I may have assumed that was true) which are then used to construct theories etc. etc.As an example, I would read a book on local Geology then go to the places that it described and see if my observations agreed with what the text told me. In science you can't assume that anything is true, no matter who told you it was. I try my best to question everything until I am good and sure that it works the way it is claimed to. That included my professors at college. I must have driven them nuts with my questions. In other words, intensive EI but BEFORE you got the education which may have allowed you to evaluate for yourself. Then just how do you propose it is possible to get the necessary education to allow one to properly evaluate the evidence since that very education appears to equate to EI?This just makes no sense to me at all. Common sense, a basic understanding of scientific methodology and an inquisitive nature are all you need to sidestep any of this EI stuff that you propose. I would like to think that all students of science would have these attributes.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Topic: How can evolution explain body symmetry?
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Now that's what I call admirable prose. No anger, no flaming, no jumping up and down, just a gentle description designed purely to explain to another what one's point of view is. It's an ability I all to infrequently apply myself. Hat's off...
Anyway, back to business. EI,MI or T1, anything say to dismantle or cause me to modify these?
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PurpleYouko Member Posts: 714 From: Columbia Missouri Joined: |
Topic: How can evolution explain body symmetry?
Is that really supposed to be the topic here?We have got so far away from it that I had forgotten.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
PurpleYouko asked:
quote: Yes. This thread was hijacked ~75 posts ago by a non sequiturish poster who ignored invitations to submit a Proposed New Topic concerning his own, unrelated assertions. Up to that point, the discussion had focused on the topic; it has not addressed it since. I thought the body symmetry discussion was productive and interesting. That poster has had the effrontery recently to demand that others limit their responses to his off-topic topic. Enough.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
That poster has had the effrontery recently to demand that others limit their responses to his off-topic topic. And that ladies and gentlemen, is the most logical thing I've read today (bar EI,MI,T1). You are absolutely and totally 100% right. Top marks that man/woman (I did read a little around before I first posted and the discussion was ID at the time but the point is perfect nonetheless. Sorry. Off to New Posts it is with me then) "Evolution is unproved and unprovable. We believe it only because the alternative is special creation, which is unthinkable" Sir Arthur Keith, Anthropologist.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
quote: Thank you. I look forward to a full and frank exchange of views.
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5060 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
I have "filtered" it out, because I have reduced any so-said "indoctrintation" to the query of Fisher's as to if there is any "adaptive" oversight and in the same generation of scholars found IN THE EVOLUTION"" of my grandad a certain adapation INTO biological praxis that I regress is submitted if only subsconsiously by any evolutionist but need not be digested by any bevy of bio-mass specialitsts etc.
But the stucuture of evolutionary theory MIGHT be able to hand"le" symmetry and the perverse representations of it in the literatuer WITHOUt reference to this social adpative indoctrination. There was no national hijack anywhere in this thread else it is partisianisms.
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