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Topic: IC & the Cambrian Explosion for Ahmad...cont..
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5217 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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Message 181 of 199 (33300)
02-26-2003 5:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 180 by mark24 02-18-2003 9:00 AM
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Welcome back.....
Well? ------------------ Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7687 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: 07-05-2002
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Message 182 of 199 (33308)
02-26-2003 8:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 180 by mark24 02-18-2003 9:00 AM
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Hi Mark, How are you? From an evolutionary stance this potentially could be a definition for transition form. So, now you have to show me the examples. Best wishes, Peter
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5217 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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Peter B, If we agree that the prediction of the ToE is that transitional forms exist according to the following definition:
quote: "A transitional is a form that possesses character states that are part way between two separate taxa, &/or a mix of discrete characters between two taxa."
Then I'd like to forward Archaeopteryx as a candidate. The two taxa being reptiles & birds. Mark ------------------ Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7687 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: 07-05-2002
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Message 184 of 199 (33323)
02-27-2003 12:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 183 by mark24 02-26-2003 8:45 PM
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Hi mark, If we agree that the prediction of the ToE is that transitional forms exist according to the following definition: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A transitional is a form that possesses character states that are part way between two separate taxa, &/or a mix of discrete characters between two taxa." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then I'd like to forward Archaeopteryx as a candidate. The two taxa being reptiles & birds. PB: I thought everybody agreed ages ago that Archie is a bird? What about the furcula?
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Peter
Member (Idle past 1501 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: 02-05-2002
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Archaeopterix
What about the teeth ?
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5217 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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What of the furcula?
Peter,
quote: I thought everybody agreed ages ago that Archie is a bird? What about the furcula?
What of it? The definition allows for discrete characters that are unique to one taxa or another, so a "fully developed" furcula found in birds, & a fully developed pubic peduncle found in dinosaurs makes the archaeopteryx a transitional form by the definition you agreed to. What taxa it was subsequently shoehorned into is irrelevant. Mark ------------------ Occam's razor is not for shaving with. [This message has been edited by mark24, 02-27-2003]
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5217 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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Message 187 of 199 (33579)
03-03-2003 8:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 186 by mark24 02-27-2003 4:50 AM
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Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
Peter? ------------------ Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5217 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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Message 188 of 199 (33656)
03-04-2003 8:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 187 by mark24 03-03-2003 8:01 PM
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Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
Hel-oooo-ooo ------------------ Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7687 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: 07-05-2002
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Message 189 of 199 (33660)
03-04-2003 8:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 188 by mark24 03-04-2003 8:24 PM
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Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
Hi Mark According to the definition you could take the Archaeopteryx as a TF. And you eagerly do, I know. However, there are some problems with it. I will point it out later. In the meantime be patient. This board isn't going to be closed, is it? Best wishes, Peter
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5217 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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Well no, Peter, I opened it, so you can't "request" it be closed like the others. But I await your comments. Mark ------------------ Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7687 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: 07-05-2002
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Message 191 of 199 (33662)
03-04-2003 8:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 190 by mark24 03-04-2003 8:39 PM
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I only close topics that I have won. best wishes, Peter
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mark24
Member (Idle past 5217 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: 12-01-2001
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LOL
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peter borger
Member (Idle past 7687 days) Posts: 965 From: australia Joined: 07-05-2002
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Message 193 of 199 (33664)
03-04-2003 8:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 192 by mark24 03-04-2003 8:45 PM
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What's the fun about?
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wj
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Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
^bump^
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wj
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Re: Where areeeee - yoouuuu?
And Borger's response to Archaeopteyrx is ...?
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