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Rei
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Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 46 of 84 (56103)
09-17-2003 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Headcase
09-17-2003 6:38 PM


Re: Reply
1) Baby-killing
2) Homosexual
3) Pedophiles
Notice how one word seems out of place. Perhaps it doesn't to headcase... sad, really.
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Headcase
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Message 47 of 84 (56104)
09-17-2003 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by xwhydoyoureyesx
09-16-2003 5:12 PM


QUOTE from xwhydoyoureyesx :<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
How can i have a belief in
nonexistance? such reasoning defies logic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You have a belief in the non existance of God if you dont believe He exists.... You seem to be running from God... He wants you to accept Him... Its never to late until you're gone... For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him will not die but have Life EVERLASTING... If you want that gift from Him all you have to do is acknowledge that you believe and confess it to Him... And he is faithful and just to forgive us...

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Headcase
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Message 48 of 84 (56105)
09-17-2003 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Rei
09-17-2003 6:49 PM


Re: Reply
what did i misspell something? I am sorry if I did... I'm more of science minded guy... i dont enjoy english class.... my bad

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mark24
Member (Idle past 5216 days)
Posts: 3857
From: UK
Joined: 12-01-2001


Message 49 of 84 (56106)
09-17-2003 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Headcase
09-17-2003 6:38 PM


Re: Reply
Headcase,
God created baby killing homosexual pedafiles, did he make them do it?
Or did they choose that path for themselves...
They would just be people if they weren't created as paedophile babykillers, so by you're own argument God made them killers.
Like you say in message 36:
God knew where you were going, be it either heaven or hell, when he created you...
God KNEW they were going to be murderers when he created them, if God knows you are going to kill, how can you not kill? How do you have a choice when it is pre-ordained by God? You have just removed all free will. Well done.
Mark
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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

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Headcase
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Message 50 of 84 (56111)
09-17-2003 7:00 PM
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09-17-2003 6:52 PM


Re: Reply
Just because The Lord knows what you are going to do, doesn't mean he makes you do it... Adam was a perfect creation when God made him... He choose to sin... He paid the consequence... For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of god is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord... Does God make you sin? No. God made people, all kinds of people. Good people. Bad people. People somewhere in between. Did he create them as full grown sinners or did they choose that sin somewhere in their life?

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mark24
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From: UK
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Message 51 of 84 (56112)
09-17-2003 7:04 PM
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09-17-2003 7:00 PM


Re: Reply
Headcase,
Just because The Lord knows what you are going to do, doesn't mean he makes you do it...
Of course it does. God created someone who at some point in their life WILL murder, they have no choice, it WILL happen. They cannot possibly NOT do it.
If God predicted you would murder someone, how could you possibly avoid it?
Mark

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phil
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Message 52 of 84 (56113)
09-17-2003 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Headcase
09-17-2003 6:52 PM


Re: Reply
He is referring to you putting "homosexuals" in the same category with "baby-killers" and "pedophiles."

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Asgara
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Posts: 1783
From: Wisconsin, USA
Joined: 05-10-2003


Message 53 of 84 (56132)
09-17-2003 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Headcase
09-17-2003 6:38 PM


Re: Reply
God knew where you were going, be it either heaven or hell, when he created you...
God wants everyone to be saved... He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance...
God created baby killing homosexual pedafiles, did he make them do it?
Or did they choose that path for themselves... Just because God gives you a chance doesn't make him wrong... He is willing that none should perish and that all should come to repentance... That doesn't mean they will... God creates things perfectly, their will is the one that condemns them ...
You contradict yourself Headcase. If your god created someone that he knew, before he created them, would be a babykiller, or an atheist, then that person would have no choice in the matter. S/he was specifically created to be what s/he was. Specifically created to be damned to hell. How is there a choice involved if you were created with your future already mapped out by the creator?
There were several very good threads here on the "free will" debate. Maybe you could read them.
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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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Headcase
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Message 54 of 84 (56135)
09-17-2003 8:56 PM


This Page
This whole arguement isn't even about the original topic... does anyone have any valuable input about the first post?

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Rei
Member (Idle past 7034 days)
Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 55 of 84 (56137)
09-17-2003 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Headcase
09-17-2003 6:52 PM


Re: Reply
Are you that daft? Do you honestly see nothing wrong about equating homosexuality with pedophilia and baby killing???
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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1488 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 56 of 84 (56138)
09-17-2003 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Headcase
09-17-2003 8:56 PM


Well, everybody has already made the most obvious point, that the God of Truth wouldn't lie to us by making a 6000-year-old world look like it was billions of years old.
Another point is that if we're going to talk about God like he's magic, and can do or make anything he wants, then what's the point? Any conceivable question can be answered with "God did it that way."
We tried that explanation for many, many years. We call that time period "the Dark Ages". Only when we realized that we inhabit a kind of "clockwork" universe - that God doesn't just do things at random or in a deceptive way, but that the universe is rational and predictable - were we able to develop medicine, technology, and all the things that make it so great to live in the now and not in the Dark Ages.
So, your explanation is worse than unscientific. It posits a universe that is neither rational nor predictable, and who wants to live there?

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mark24
Member (Idle past 5216 days)
Posts: 3857
From: UK
Joined: 12-01-2001


Message 57 of 84 (56173)
09-17-2003 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Headcase
09-17-2003 8:56 PM


Re: This Page
Headcase,
Message 51, please.
Mark
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"I can't prove creationism, but they can't prove evolution. It is [also] a religion, so it should not be taught....Christians took over the school board and voted in creationism. That can be done in any school district anywhere, and it ought to be done." Says Kent "consistent" Hovind in "Unmasking the False Religion of Evolution Chapter 6."

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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5929 days)
Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 58 of 84 (56183)
09-17-2003 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Headcase
09-15-2003 1:51 PM


Headcase I decided I would deal with post # 1. You assume much in these sentences starting with whether a God even exists. Then you state that he "spoke?" these different things into existence and this makes sense to you. God says words and things appear? This is obviously somehow rational to you. It stretches credulity to think that a grown man can put stock in such a fairy tale but hey it is a free country. What exactly.though,do you mean by "using a process of great ease and logical consequential form."?
Now exactly how is it that a book passed down through the ages written by fallible men with all sorts of agendas that we cannot even begin to know be worthy of being considered reliable.Also since I often hear it is the word of God exactly how do we trust that this is so?

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nator
Member (Idle past 2191 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 59 of 84 (56200)
09-18-2003 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Headcase
09-17-2003 6:38 PM


Re: Reply
quote:
God created baby killing homosexual pedafiles
Actually, the vast, vast majority of pedophiles, and murderers for that matter, are heterosexual males who molest both boys and girls.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 60 of 84 (56201)
09-18-2003 1:36 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Headcase
09-17-2003 6:41 PM


Re: Reply
quote:
God is so powerful he gives you the right to choose, just because he doesnt want you to go to hell doesn't mean he wont send you there if you dont accept the sacrafice Jesus has made for you...
So, your God is a god of fear and "belive or else", then?

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