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Author Topic:   What i can't understand about evolution....
Dr Adequate
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Message 388 of 493 (494224)
01-15-2009 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 362 by Peg
01-11-2009 4:35 AM


Re: The theory of evolution contains no magic. That's the "other side's" theory.
you dont think its possible that evolutionary scientists, who are trying to prove their theory, could be interpreting the data to fit in with their preconceived ideas that life is a product of evolution and not creation?
You don't think it's possible that Daltonian scientists, who are trying to prove their theory, could be interpreting their data to fit in with their preconceived idea that solids are made of atoms rather than being infinitely divisible?
there have been many scientific frauds in the recent past that show that some will go to extraordinary lengths for evolution
No there haven't.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 424 of 493 (494457)
01-16-2009 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 421 by Peg
01-15-2009 9:43 PM


Re: The theory of evolution contains no magic. That's the "other side's" theory.
i accept diversification thru genetics...thats a little different to the evolution of one species into a new kind of species...
No.
i dont believe that at all because if that were true, then we should be able to replicate it or we should see it
We have. But don't take my word for it, ask a creationist. According to the well-known creationist ministry "Answers in Genesis":
New species have been observed to form. In fact, rapid speciation is an important part of the creation model.
Say, I've a great idea. Why don't you argue it out with your fellow-creationists while we just sit back, eat popcorn, and watch?
and, it would also lead us back to an original source of production where the evolution first took place
I can attach no meaning to this phrase. How about you?
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Dr Adequate
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Message 425 of 493 (494459)
01-16-2009 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 407 by Peg
01-15-2009 8:50 AM


Re: Starting from the Root
but, if each species arose from a previous species by gradual change, then this implies that if we were to trace the steps right back, we would be right back at abiogenesis and life would have to have arose from non living matter
No.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 426 of 493 (494461)
01-16-2009 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 390 by Peg
01-15-2009 6:41 AM


Re: how do we measure 'inferiority'?
hence why the crocodile is a remarkable example because how is it that in a world where all things evolve, this one species has not?
Crocodilians are not a species. And they have evolved.
As you would know if you'd ever taken the slightest interest in them.
That indicates that evolution is NOT random
Of course evolution is not random. This is what we keep trying to explain to you people.
it also implies that either its purposeful in that it occurs under some circumstances but not others, or its being directed somehow
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You might as well say: "The fact that raindrops always fall down implies that either its purposeful in that it occurs under some circumstances but not others, or its being directed somehow."
Yes. They are being directed by gravity.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 427 of 493 (494462)
01-16-2009 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 393 by Peg
01-15-2009 7:58 AM


Re: The theory of evolution contains no magic. That's the "other side's" theory.
so they have 'proved' evolution by experiments?
what sort of experiments are you talking about??? have they produced life from non living matter?
because if they do that, then i'll believe that life arose by chance
Why would you believe that?
You seem very confused.
You say that if an experiment proves that life arose from non-living matter, you will believe that life arose "by chance"?
Why?
Would you say: "If an experiment proves that a tree can arise from a seed, then I will believe that a tree arose by chance?"
Where does "chance" come into it?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 429 of 493 (494466)
01-16-2009 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 401 by Peg
01-15-2009 8:32 AM


Re: The theory of evolution contains no magic. That's the "other side's" theory.
if evolution is to be proved, in my eyes, they need to show how it originally developed
to show how it originally developed, they need to create it...
Compare your statements with the following statements:
if the rings of saturn are to be proved, in my eyes, they need to show how they originally developed
to show how they originally developed, they need to create them...
Or how about:
if the pyramids of egypt are to be proved, in my eyes, they need to show how they originally developed
to show how they originally developed, they need to create them...
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Message 489 of 493 (494810)
01-18-2009 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 439 by Peg
01-16-2009 9:40 PM


Re: arrogance and ignorance
Michael Dentons quote "Evolution: A Theory in Crisis," p. 250.
Michael Denton has changed his mind, you know.
He wrote: "Evolution: A Theory In Crisis" in 1985.
By the time he wrote "Nature's Destiny" in 1998, he had this to say:
quote:
It is important to emphasize at the outset that the argument presented here is entirely consistent with the basic naturalistic assumption of modern science - that the cosmos is a seamless unity which can be comprehended ultimately in its entirety by human reason and in which all phenomena, including life and evolution and the origin of man, are ultimately explicable in terms of natural processes. This is an assumption which is entirely opposed to that of the so-called "special creationist school". According to special creationism, living organisms are not natural forms, whose origin and design were built into the laws of nature from the beginning, but rather contingent forms analogous in essence to human artifacts, the result of a series of supernatural acts, involving the suspension of natural law. Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world - that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies.

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