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Granny Magda
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Message 109 of 331 (473885)
07-03-2008 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Beretta
07-03-2008 10:22 AM


Re: Brainwashed by Imagination/Evolution
Hello Beretta,
I've just read too many quotes from paleontologists that give the game away -they're too sucked in to realize that they're playing the game not following the evidence and drawing real conclusions from what they really see.
Do you not think it is a teensy bit arrogant to consider that your are a better palaeontologist than all the professional palaeontologists on the planet? You freely admit that you have only been an armchair creationist for a few years. You have never done field work. There are experts out there who have spent their entire careers examining the evidence, but you seem to think that in a few short years of cribbing from creationist websites, tat you now know better than all of them. That is astonishingly arrogant, one might say prideful.
No, naturalistic evolution is dying after an illegitimate innings, due to the gap between the facts and the conclusions - paradigm shift coming, ship's going down - wake up or drown!
Creationists have been saying this for over a century Beretta, meanwhile those transitional forms just keep piling up. I'm sure it is of great comfort to you to think this way, but the truth is that the paradigm shift has already been and gone. Creationism was the ruling paradigm for millennia. It has had its day. Paradigms may shift, but they don't shift back again.

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Granny Magda
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Message 114 of 331 (474118)
07-05-2008 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Beretta
07-04-2008 5:40 AM


Re: Stand aside for the professionals
Hello again Beretta,
RAZD has requested that the off-topic discussion end, so I will respect his wishes and leave the majority of your post unanswered. Suffice to say that (unsurprisingly) we are still not in agreement.
The following however, I cannot ignore.
We now know what it must have been like in Communist Russia for the dissentors. Wear the right T-shirt or die.Vote for Mugabe and keep on voting until you get it right!
That is in extremely poor taste dude.
Dissenters in the USSR were tortured and killed. Dissenters in Zimbabwe (as everyone in your part of the world is only too aware) are tortured and killed.
Evolutionists are not engaged in the torture or murder their opponents. Richard Dawkins has never cut anyone's hand off for disagreeing with him. PZ Myers has never, to my knowledge, demolished his interlocutors' neighbourhood for daring to challenge his authority. If Eugenie Scott were to beat Ben Stein to death, I would be very surprised to say the least.
The kind of hyperbole and false comparison you are engaging in here is sick and inappropriate, not least because it cheapens the lives of those who suffered under Soviet communism and those who suffer today under Mugabe, by using them for cheap point-scoring.
Please don't do this again. It demeans us all and does nothing to further your argument.

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Granny Magda
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Message 116 of 331 (474350)
07-07-2008 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Beretta
07-07-2008 2:09 AM


Re: Torture and death
Gee granny, that reply is just a spot over the top isn't it -you must be having a bad day.
No, what is over the top is comparing a handful of cases of alleged academic misconduct to the genocide of millions. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. "Expelled" takes this same sick line and since you are parroting that, you would predictably go along with it, however sleazy it might be.
I did not object to your behaviour because I was in some bad mood but rather, because I found your behaviour objectionable. Making these kind of comparisons is just plain sick. It cheapens the suffering of those who have been tortured and murdered when you use their plight to score cheap points in some internet debate. Please, please just stop it. It is unworthy of you.
Please don't bother replying to this message, because I have said all I have to say on the matter and I am not interested in hearing more of your excuses.
If you want to reply to someone, you could try answering RAZD in Message 113, which I note, you chose to ignore, or answering RickJB in his thread, which you have also, so far, ignored.

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Granny Magda
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Message 126 of 331 (474682)
07-10-2008 6:52 AM
Reply to: Message 123 by Beretta
07-10-2008 6:13 AM


Re: Funny fish
Really cute -I like that fish -but when I look at it, I instinctively know it is a fully functional creation.
Your instinct is irrelevant and you should know better than to rely on so flawed a tool. I for instance, instinctively know that I am the wittiest and most attractive individual in the world, but sadly, the evidence is against me. Forget instinct. It's rubbish at science.
Every creature has to be able to carry out all the various functions...
Are you attempting to argue irreducible complexity for the handfish's fin? It seems a poor candidate for such reasoning, since it's fairly obvious how progressively more "foot-like" fins would convey increasing advantage to a bottom dwelling fish at each stage.
You really have to believe that that kind of thing is possible.
The "science=religion" argument has no place here, even if it weren't fallacious.
One function missing -bye bye fishy.
Very silly comment. I have a fish in my tank called Botia lohachata. It has no eyes, seemingly no eye sockets even. To be quite clear, the species normally posses eyes. My one is a freak. It does absolutely fine. Even in the wild it would be at little disadvantage, since its home waters are too murky for sight to be of much use anyway.

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