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Author Topic:   How Did the First Sexually Reproducing Organisms Arrive?
Rick Rose
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Message 11 of 19 (108519)
05-16-2004 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Loudmouth
05-11-2004 6:38 PM


Please note that I am a laymen, not a scientist. If you respond, please try to reason with my inferior gray matter.
I just recieved a journal dated June 22, 2004. I recieved it the day after I read this thread. It seems to argue against the basic tenant that reproductive capacity could evolve simustaneously on a macro scale. I will quote the magazive and give the source. It's only a few paragraphs that I hand typed.
"Complexity is especially evident when living organisms have complex parts that would be useless without other complex parts. Let us focus on the example of reproduction.
"According to evolutionary theories, living things continued to reproduce as they became ever more complex. At some stage, though, the female of a number of species had to develop reproductive cells requiring fertilization by a male with complementary reproductive cells. In order to supply the proper number of chromosomes to the offspring, each parent's reproductive cells undergo a remarkable process called meiosis, whereby cells from each parent are left with half the usual number of chromosomes.
"Of course, the same process would have been needed for other species. How, then did the "first mother" of each species become capable of reproducing with a fully developed "first father"? How could both of them have suddenly been able to halve the number of chromosomes in their reproductive cells in the manner needed to reproduce a healthy offspring with some characteristics of both parents? And if these reproductive featuees developed gradually, how would the male and female of each species have survived while such vital features were still only partially formed.
"In even a single species, the odds against this reproductive interdependence coming about by chance are beyond measuring. The chance that it arose in one species after another defies reasonable explaination. Can a theoretical process of evolution explain such complexity." --June 22, 2004 Awake
As someone said above it's nice to have a discussion free from the evc debate. If you don't answer it's fine, I don't want to disturb. What I read in the article makes sense to me.
What do you think. Can an evolutionary model such as an earthworm or shrimp explain the more complex dna halveing of species requiring male and female?
Please go simple on your expaination.
thanks, rickrose
Edited for a couple of mistakes
This message has been edited by Rick Rose, 05-15-2004 11:33 PM

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Rick Rose
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Message 17 of 19 (108641)
05-16-2004 1:39 PM
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05-16-2004 10:38 AM


Re: One other thing Rick
You gave me a well thought out answer. I'm just throwing out questions to see where it goes. I have no other thoughts on the subject for now. I usually get my thoughts from reading something. Not very original thinker.
rickrose

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