Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 122 (8774 total)
Current session began: 
Page Loaded: 07-24-2017 4:34 AM
365 online now:
CRR, Dr Jack, Heathen (3 members, 362 visitors)
Chatting now:  Chat room empty
Newest Member: Tom Larkin
Post Volume:
Total: 814,489 Year: 19,095/21,208 Month: 1,854/3,111 Week: 75/574 Day: 7/68 Hour: 1/3

Announcements: Reporting debate problems OR discussing moderation actions/inactions


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
RewPrev1
...
4142
43
4445
...
62NextFF
Author Topic:   How do you define the word Evolution?
Dredge
Member
Posts: 522
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 631 of 930 (807716)
05-05-2017 6:06 AM
Reply to: Message 603 by Taq
05-03-2017 11:22 AM


Re: Part of the problem?
Taq writes:

The question is why would you reject the conclusion of a universal common ancestor when we have mountains of evidence to support the conclusion

Mountains of pseudo-evidence, more like it. I smell a rat; a very big rat.

Why the obsession with definitions?


Er, what you refer to as an "obsession with definitions" might have something to with the fact that the topic we are discussing is entitled, "How do you define the word Evolution?"
This message is a reply to:
 Message 603 by Taq, posted 05-03-2017 11:22 AM Taq has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 653 by Taq, posted 05-08-2017 1:20 PM Dredge has responded

    
Dredge
Member
Posts: 522
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 632 of 930 (807718)
05-05-2017 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 617 by RAZD
05-04-2017 9:08 AM


Re: If Not, What?
I can't answer your card question as I don't play cards - not intelligent enough. Once I tried to play "Snap!" and it gave me brain damage.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 617 by RAZD, posted 05-04-2017 9:08 AM RAZD has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 641 by RAZD, posted 05-05-2017 6:50 AM Dredge has not yet responded

    
Dredge
Member
Posts: 522
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 633 of 930 (807719)
05-05-2017 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 616 by Pressie
05-04-2017 7:58 AM


Re: If Not, What?
I don't know how to quantify genetic information ... yet. Would you like me to ask Chicko how he does it?
This message is a reply to:
 Message 616 by Pressie, posted 05-04-2017 7:58 AM Pressie has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 635 by Pressie, posted 05-05-2017 6:19 AM Dredge has not yet responded

    
Dredge
Member
Posts: 522
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 634 of 930 (807720)
05-05-2017 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 621 by Tangle
05-04-2017 3:29 PM


Re: Where are we now?
Tangle writes:

Idiocy. That's all really, just 100% stupid.


That's not a very nice thing to say.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 621 by Tangle, posted 05-04-2017 3:29 PM Tangle has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 636 by Tangle, posted 05-05-2017 6:20 AM Dredge has not yet responded
 Message 637 by Pressie, posted 05-05-2017 6:22 AM Dredge has not yet responded

    
Pressie
Member
Posts: 1685
From: Pretoria, SA
Joined: 06-18-2010
Member Rating: 2.8


Message 635 of 930 (807721)
05-05-2017 6:19 AM
Reply to: Message 633 by Dredge
05-05-2017 6:14 AM


Re: If Not, What?
Yes. Please ask Chicko. So far you have nothing of any value.

You keep on telling untruths about "more" or "less" genetic information. That's all you have. Untruths.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 633 by Dredge, posted 05-05-2017 6:14 AM Dredge has not yet responded

    
Tangle
Member
Posts: 4883
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 3.9


Message 636 of 930 (807722)
05-05-2017 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 634 by Dredge
05-05-2017 6:18 AM


Re: Where are we now?
Dredge writes:

That's not a very nice thing to say.

Truth often hurts, but I'm guessing that you'll get over it really quickly.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 634 by Dredge, posted 05-05-2017 6:18 AM Dredge has not yet responded

  
Pressie
Member
Posts: 1685
From: Pretoria, SA
Joined: 06-18-2010
Member Rating: 2.8


Message 637 of 930 (807723)
05-05-2017 6:22 AM
Reply to: Message 634 by Dredge
05-05-2017 6:18 AM


Re: Where are we now?
When describing you about your take on genetic information, I would say that it's 100% accurate.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 634 by Dredge, posted 05-05-2017 6:18 AM Dredge has not yet responded

    
Dredge
Member
Posts: 522
From: Australia
Joined: 09-06-2016
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 638 of 930 (807724)
05-05-2017 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 618 by Dr Adequate
05-04-2017 9:36 AM


Re: Where are we now?
Darwinsim can't be separated from the theory of common descent. "Evolution" in biology can't be separared from Darwinism.

Think of the science of biology as being covered by a big blanket with "Darwinism .... evolution ... common descent" written all over it. If you pull the blanket away you will find true biology, alive and well.

If you won't listen to me, will you listen to Chicko?


This message is a reply to:
 Message 618 by Dr Adequate, posted 05-04-2017 9:36 AM Dr Adequate has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 639 by Pressie, posted 05-05-2017 6:44 AM Dredge has not yet responded
 Message 646 by CRR, posted 05-06-2017 2:03 AM Dredge has not yet responded

    
Pressie
Member
Posts: 1685
From: Pretoria, SA
Joined: 06-18-2010
Member Rating: 2.8


Message 639 of 930 (807727)
05-05-2017 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 638 by Dredge
05-05-2017 6:30 AM


Re: Where are we now?
You like word salads. That's all you have.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 638 by Dredge, posted 05-05-2017 6:30 AM Dredge has not yet responded

    
RAZD
Member
Posts: 18790
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 3.8


Message 640 of 930 (807728)
05-05-2017 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 629 by Dredge
05-05-2017 6:00 AM


Re: Reality strikes again
... There are factual points (microevolution) mixed in with some evo-speculation by atheist paleontologists (who, of course, can always be relied on to tell the truth). More Darwinism masquerading as science ... y-a-w-n.

Sadly, for you, ignoring reality doesn't make it go away, nor does your opinion affect it in any way. Life goes on, evolution goes on. Reality doesn't need you or your opinion to continue.

Enjoy


we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAmerican☆Zen☯Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 629 by Dredge, posted 05-05-2017 6:00 AM Dredge has not yet responded

  
RAZD
Member
Posts: 18790
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 3.8


Message 641 of 930 (807730)
05-05-2017 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 632 by Dredge
05-05-2017 6:11 AM


Re: If Not, What?
I can't answer your card question as I don't play cards - not intelligent enough. Once I tried to play "Snap!" and it gave me brain damage.

Yet you expound ad nauseum on the "information" quota of amoeba's DNA, fascinating.

Enjoy

Edited by RAZD, : .


we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAmerican☆Zen☯Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 632 by Dredge, posted 05-05-2017 6:11 AM Dredge has not yet responded

  
CRR
Member
Posts: 441
From: Australia
Joined: 10-19-2016
Member Rating: 1.2


Message 642 of 930 (807744)
05-05-2017 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 627 by Pressie
05-05-2017 4:45 AM


Re: Increase in information thread?
Kirk Durston gives examples in the linked article.
This message is a reply to:
 Message 627 by Pressie, posted 05-05-2017 4:45 AM Pressie has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 643 by Pressie, posted 05-05-2017 8:41 AM CRR has not yet responded

  
Pressie
Member
Posts: 1685
From: Pretoria, SA
Joined: 06-18-2010
Member Rating: 2.8


Message 643 of 930 (807745)
05-05-2017 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 642 by CRR
05-05-2017 8:11 AM


Re: Increase in information thread?
Really? Could you direct me to the place where he gave examples and applied it to any living organism? I can't find anything about it in the linked article. I think that you're not telling the truth, CRR. As always.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 642 by CRR, posted 05-05-2017 8:11 AM CRR has not yet responded

    
Coyote
Member
Posts: 5904
Joined: 01-12-2008
Member Rating: 4.4


Message 644 of 930 (807750)
05-05-2017 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 628 by Dredge
05-05-2017 5:57 AM


Re: Reality strikes again
Stephen Jay Gould said that the fossil record is characterised by "sudden appearance" and "stasis", which he attributed to Punctuated Equilibrium. However, sudden appearance and stasis can also be attributed to creation.

Except for one little detail: there is a lot of evidence for speciation, while none for deities poofing things into existence.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


This message is a reply to:
 Message 628 by Dredge, posted 05-05-2017 5:57 AM Dredge has not yet responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 645 by RAZD, posted 05-05-2017 9:30 AM Coyote has acknowledged this reply

  
RAZD
Member
Posts: 18790
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004
Member Rating: 3.8


Message 645 of 930 (807752)
05-05-2017 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 644 by Coyote
05-05-2017 9:21 AM


Re: Reality strikes again ... and again
Stephen Jay Gould said that the fossil record is characterised by "sudden appearance" and "stasis", which he attributed to Punctuated Equilibrium. However, sudden appearance and stasis can also be attributed to creation.

Except for one little detail: there is a lot of evidence for speciation, while none for deities poofing things into existence.

Except for another little detail: it always shows up in close relation to an older less derived species in location and time. They never occur on the other side of the world, as could happen with special creation. As discussed before this is a major failure of explanation for the special creation advocates, and why it isn't taken seriously by scientists.

Being able to attribute something is not showing cause and effect, not showing a testable hypothesis, rather it is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy and wishful thinking, not science.

Enjoy

Edited by RAZD, : .


we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
RebelAmerican☆Zen☯Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 644 by Coyote, posted 05-05-2017 9:21 AM Coyote has acknowledged this reply

  
RewPrev1
...
4142
43
4445
...
62NextFF
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2015 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2017