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Topic: Evidence for evolution
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robinrohan
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Message 1 of 136 (167929)
12-14-2004 12:24 AM
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I accept evolution on authority, not because I really know that much about it. I understand the theory (in general). I don't need to know about that. What I am interested in is knowing what the most solid, most convincing evidence is for this theory. The audience: somewhat educated but not specialized. In other words, you cannot expect them to know the esoteric jargon of evolutionary biologists. Give it to us in plain language. (This might be one of the reasons for the creationist movement. They don't know what the real evidence is.) I don't, not really.
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robinrohan
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Message 4 of 136 (167940)
12-14-2004 12:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 3 by NosyNed 12-14-2004 12:33 AM
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Re: Two aspects to the question.
Great! Very clear. (the DNA reference is not clear, but I can ask about that later). How do we know for sure what's later and what's earlier as regards the fossil records?
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robinrohan
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Message 6 of 136 (167945)
12-14-2004 1:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by NosyNed 12-14-2004 12:53 AM
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Re: Ordering the fossil records
Great stuff, Ned. First you have the layers and dating and then you have much later the DNA (this is still vague to me) to back it up. I'll study those sites you gave me before asking more questions, but you've made the basics very clear to me. Thanks.
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robinrohan
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Message 8 of 136 (167959)
12-14-2004 1:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 7 by NosyNed 12-14-2004 1:35 AM
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Re: The DNA stuff
Is it a matter of looking at an earlier fossil and a later fossil and determining that they are closely related according to the DNA? Something like that?
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robinrohan
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Message 12 of 136 (168013)
12-14-2004 8:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Mammuthus 12-14-2004 2:43 AM
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Re: The DNA stuff
Oh, I see. You get the DNA samples mostly from living species. Does the DNA degrade or something when it gets real old?
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robinrohan
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Certainty?
Has the relatively recent emergence of DNA analytic techniques verified the older conclusions based on the dating methods--the layer the fossil is in, and the "radio-active dating" or whatever they use, to the point of great certainty? Would you say that evolutionary theory (not all the details of how, of course, but general macroevolution, including human evolution)is much more certain than, say, Big Bang Theory?
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robinrohan
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Message 16 of 136 (168050)
12-14-2004 10:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Quetzal 12-14-2004 10:14 AM
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Quetzel
How certain? Can you compare it to something else that is just as certain?
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robinrohan
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Message 21 of 136 (168077)
12-14-2004 11:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Quetzal 12-14-2004 10:33 AM
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Quetzel
I just wanted to know if evolution was very, very certain or just fairly probable. Other posters say there's no doubt about it.
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robinrohan
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Message 23 of 136 (168083)
12-14-2004 11:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 22 by crashfrog 12-14-2004 11:39 AM
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Re: Quetzel
But the Big Bang would not be on that level of certainty, correct? It is also a "scientific theory."
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robinrohan
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Message 26 of 136 (168091)
12-14-2004 11:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 25 by NosyNed 12-14-2004 11:54 AM
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Re: Big Bang certainty
And the theory of relativity? Is there much empirical evidence of that?
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robinrohan
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Re: People - BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION forum
By the way what is all this "IMHO" and "IMO" and "IOW" stuff? Is that like a secret code?
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robinrohan
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Message 36 of 136 (168113)
12-14-2004 12:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by NosyNed 12-14-2004 12:29 PM
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Re: Way OT but...
IMHO--IOW, IMO, based on what I have heard here (BOWIHHH), TOE is a ND (no-doubter). IMHO.
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robinrohan
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Message 40 of 136 (168205)
12-14-2004 4:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by Quetzal 12-14-2004 3:26 PM
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Re: Quetzel
IMHO, that life has a history and has changed over time is not exactly TOE.
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robinrohan
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Message 41 of 136 (168209)
12-14-2004 5:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog 12-14-2004 11:13 AM
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crashfog writes: Unimpeachable evidence from genetics in regards to hereditary relationships between species. Could you give an example?
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robinrohan
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Message 46 of 136 (168298)
12-14-2004 11:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 45 by Quetzal 12-14-2004 9:05 PM
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Re: Evolution and the ToE
I always have questions. What is the empirical evidence for life evolving from non-life? I know that is not the TOE proper. But it's rather important.
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