Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
3 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,833 Year: 4,090/9,624 Month: 961/974 Week: 288/286 Day: 9/40 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Evidence for evolution
robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 1 of 136 (167929)
12-14-2004 12:24 AM


I accept evolution on authority, not because I really know that much
about it.
I understand the theory (in general). I don't need to know about that. What I am interested in is knowing what the most solid, most convincing evidence is for this theory.
The audience: somewhat educated but not specialized. In other words, you cannot expect them to know the esoteric jargon of evolutionary biologists. Give it to us in plain language. (This might be one of
the reasons for the creationist movement. They don't know what the real evidence is.) I don't, not really.

Replies to this message:
 Message 3 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 12:33 AM robinrohan has replied
 Message 15 by Quetzal, posted 12-14-2004 10:14 AM robinrohan has replied
 Message 18 by crashfrog, posted 12-14-2004 11:13 AM robinrohan has replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 4 of 136 (167940)
12-14-2004 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by NosyNed
12-14-2004 12:33 AM


Re: Two aspects to the question.
Great! Very clear. (the DNA reference is not clear, but I can ask about that later).
How do we know for sure what's later and what's earlier as regards the fossil records?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 12:33 AM NosyNed has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 5 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 12:53 AM robinrohan has replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 6 of 136 (167945)
12-14-2004 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by NosyNed
12-14-2004 12:53 AM


Re: Ordering the fossil records
Great stuff, Ned. First you have the layers and dating and then you have much later the DNA (this is still vague to me) to back it up. I'll study those sites you gave me before asking more questions, but you've made the basics very clear to me.
Thanks.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 5 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 12:53 AM NosyNed has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 7 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 1:35 AM robinrohan has replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 8 of 136 (167959)
12-14-2004 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by NosyNed
12-14-2004 1:35 AM


Re: The DNA stuff
Is it a matter of looking at an earlier fossil and a later fossil and determining that they are closely related according to the DNA? Something like that?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 7 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 1:35 AM NosyNed has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 9 by Mammuthus, posted 12-14-2004 2:43 AM robinrohan has replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 12 of 136 (168013)
12-14-2004 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Mammuthus
12-14-2004 2:43 AM


Re: The DNA stuff
Oh, I see. You get the DNA samples mostly from living species. Does the DNA degrade or something when it gets real old?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 9 by Mammuthus, posted 12-14-2004 2:43 AM Mammuthus has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 13 by Mammuthus, posted 12-14-2004 8:47 AM robinrohan has not replied
 Message 14 by robinrohan, posted 12-14-2004 8:48 AM robinrohan has not replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 14 of 136 (168019)
12-14-2004 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by robinrohan
12-14-2004 8:25 AM


Certainty?
Has the relatively recent emergence of DNA analytic techniques verified the older conclusions based on the dating methods--the layer the fossil is in, and the "radio-active dating" or whatever they use, to the point of great certainty?
Would you say that evolutionary theory (not all the details of how, of course, but general macroevolution, including human evolution)is much more certain than, say, Big Bang Theory?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 12 by robinrohan, posted 12-14-2004 8:25 AM robinrohan has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 20 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 11:22 AM robinrohan has not replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 16 of 136 (168050)
12-14-2004 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Quetzal
12-14-2004 10:14 AM


Quetzel
How certain? Can you compare it to something else that is just as certain?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 15 by Quetzal, posted 12-14-2004 10:14 AM Quetzal has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 17 by Quetzal, posted 12-14-2004 10:33 AM robinrohan has replied
 Message 19 by Dr Jack, posted 12-14-2004 11:22 AM robinrohan has not replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 21 of 136 (168077)
12-14-2004 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Quetzal
12-14-2004 10:33 AM


Quetzel
I just wanted to know if evolution was very, very certain or just fairly probable. Other posters say there's no doubt about it.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 17 by Quetzal, posted 12-14-2004 10:33 AM Quetzal has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 22 by crashfrog, posted 12-14-2004 11:39 AM robinrohan has replied
 Message 39 by Quetzal, posted 12-14-2004 3:26 PM robinrohan has replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 23 of 136 (168083)
12-14-2004 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by crashfrog
12-14-2004 11:39 AM


Re: Quetzel
But the Big Bang would not be on that level of certainty, correct?
It is also a "scientific theory."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 22 by crashfrog, posted 12-14-2004 11:39 AM crashfrog has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 25 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 11:54 AM robinrohan has replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 26 of 136 (168091)
12-14-2004 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by NosyNed
12-14-2004 11:54 AM


Re: Big Bang certainty
And the theory of relativity? Is there much empirical evidence of that?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 11:54 AM NosyNed has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 27 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 12:03 PM robinrohan has not replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 30 of 136 (168102)
12-14-2004 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Adminnemooseus
12-14-2004 12:07 PM


Re: People - BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION forum
By the way what is all this "IMHO" and "IMO" and "IOW" stuff? Is that like a secret code?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 28 by Adminnemooseus, posted 12-14-2004 12:07 PM Adminnemooseus has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 31 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 12:15 PM robinrohan has not replied
 Message 32 by jar, posted 12-14-2004 12:21 PM robinrohan has not replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 36 of 136 (168113)
12-14-2004 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by NosyNed
12-14-2004 12:29 PM


Re: Way OT but...
IMHO--IOW, IMO, based on what I have heard here (BOWIHHH), TOE is a ND (no-doubter). IMHO.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 35 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 12:29 PM NosyNed has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 37 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 2:24 PM robinrohan has not replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 40 of 136 (168205)
12-14-2004 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Quetzal
12-14-2004 3:26 PM


Re: Quetzel
IMHO, that life has a history and has changed over time is not exactly TOE.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 39 by Quetzal, posted 12-14-2004 3:26 PM Quetzal has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 42 by NosyNed, posted 12-14-2004 5:08 PM robinrohan has not replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 41 of 136 (168209)
12-14-2004 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
12-14-2004 11:13 AM


crashfog writes:
Unimpeachable evidence from genetics in regards to hereditary relationships between species.
Could you give an example?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 18 by crashfrog, posted 12-14-2004 11:13 AM crashfrog has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 43 by crashfrog, posted 12-14-2004 6:14 PM robinrohan has replied

robinrohan
Inactive Member


Message 46 of 136 (168298)
12-14-2004 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Quetzal
12-14-2004 9:05 PM


Re: Evolution and the ToE
I always have questions.
What is the empirical evidence for life evolving from non-life?
I know that is not the TOE proper. But it's rather important.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 45 by Quetzal, posted 12-14-2004 9:05 PM Quetzal has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 47 by crashfrog, posted 12-14-2004 11:07 PM robinrohan has replied
 Message 77 by Quetzal, posted 12-15-2004 8:06 AM robinrohan has replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024