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Trump won 
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Message 1 of 43 (59582)
10-05-2003 7:39 PM


What is/are your favorite comic book(s)? Mine are Spawn, Spider-man and the Fantastic Four.
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mark24
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Message 2 of 43 (59596)
10-05-2003 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Trump won
10-05-2003 7:39 PM


Hi messenjaH,
It's been a long time since I bought comics, but 2000AD was my all time favourite. The one of Judge Dredd fame, 'though personally I could take him or leave him. There were just so many great stories. Flesh, & Flesh book II were probably my favourites, detailing the predicament of time travellers from a future human existance where the population has outstripped the earths ability to sustain them. They were forced to return to the late Cretaceous & Jurassic to harvest the dinosaurs. Ol' One Eye, the matriarchal Tyrannosaur that had it in for Regan (after cutting out the old girls eye, mind), made her final kill in the 20th century when her fossils were dug up, & her jaws accidentally snapped shut on the luckless palaeontologist that climbed inside for a photo opportunity. Wonderful stuff! The Jurassic Nothosaur (whose name escapes me) who hunted Claw Carver (named because he wore the claw of a Deinonychus that chopped his hand off) ended up being transported into the future with Carver as he tried to escape, the Nothosaur at least survived, ending up in a cold Scottish loch.....
Marvel comic-wise, I too was a fan of Spidey & the fantastic four. Never got into the Silver Surfer, although I could see the appeal.
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Message 3 of 43 (59599)
10-05-2003 9:23 PM


Of all time? Probably a toss-up between four different ones. Hate by Peter Bagge, Love & Rockets by Jaime and Gilbert Hernandez, From Hell by Alan Moore and Eddie Campbell, and the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby run on Fantastic Four.
As for what's being published right now, I'd say Usagi Yojimbo.

  
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Message 4 of 43 (59603)
10-05-2003 9:36 PM
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10-05-2003 8:48 PM


quote:
It's been a long time since I bought comics, but 2000AD was my all time favourite.
If you still have certain issues of 2000AD with Zenith stories in them lying around, I might be willing to buy them off you. I'd have to look up the specific issues, though...

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Message 5 of 43 (59611)
10-05-2003 10:28 PM
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10-05-2003 9:36 PM


Yeah, I used to collect, mainly marvel though, all kinds of comics and characters old and new. Had alot of the older ones because my Dad and his family collected when they were kids. Never liked DC much. I like image comics alot too. I mainly collected CABLE until they ruined it, then turned it to Soldier X, what is that? Well anyway I had subscriptions to X-men, Spider-man, Cable, Deadpool, New X-men and Fantastic four but canceled them all. I want to subscribe to Spawn but I dunno. You guys read that comic "Hellboy"? I've always wondered if it was any good. Looked kind of cool. The old Hulk comics were the greatest, the really old ones. I have the whole Strife vs. Cable series and the first Cable too, and the last one, you guys know if any of that is worth anything?

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Message 6 of 43 (59623)
10-06-2003 12:01 AM
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10-05-2003 10:28 PM


quote:
I mainly collected CABLE until they ruined it, then turned it to Soldier X, what is that?
As I heard it, and this might just be internet rumor, Rob Liefeld still had a pseudo-copyright on several names he created that Marvel was using. So every time these names were used in print, Liefeld got some cash. To avoid this in the future, Cable became Soldier X, Deadpool became Agent X, and X-Force became X-Statix. They're not using the names; they don't have to pay him.
Ordinarily I'd be pissed off at something like that, but all three titles bore such little resemblance to the ideas Liefeld initially created that it was silly to be paying him to use the names. Plus X-Statix is wonderful.
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You guys read that comic "Hellboy"? I've always wondered if it was any good. Looked kind of cool.
I just got into Hellboy recently, and I've loved what I've seen. I'd definitely reccomend it. "Seed of Destruction" is the first volume, so you might want to start there. (Although my favorite that I've read so far is "The Right Hand of Doom.")
Mignola is a psycho-talent, and he writes stories with cyborg nazi gorillas. I mean, who couldn't love that?
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I have the whole Strife vs. Cable series and the first Cable too, and the last one, you guys know if any of that is worth anything?
I doubt it. Even if the price guides are saying it's worth something, nothing is ever worth more than what you can get someone to pay for it. And when those were coming out, anyone who would ever have an interest in it already bought a copy.
A good rule of thumb is that nothing published after 1970 is worth much at all.

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Message 7 of 43 (59624)
10-06-2003 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Trump won
10-05-2003 7:39 PM


Swamp Thing, especially when Alan Moore was involved.
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Message 8 of 43 (59660)
10-06-2003 5:18 AM
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10-06-2003 12:03 AM


Pretty much any Alan Moore, I really liked the trade paperback of 'Tom Strong' and I recently read 'The Ballad of Halo Jones' again, ah the nostalgia. Zenith definitely rocked though, and Nemesis the Warlock and the ABC Warriors.

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Message 9 of 43 (59661)
10-06-2003 5:21 AM
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10-06-2003 5:18 AM


Oooh, has anyone else read Moonshadow, that was good.
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Message 10 of 43 (59668)
10-06-2003 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Trump won
10-05-2003 7:39 PM


Sandman is a clear winner, mmm... Neil Gaiman. While Cerebus is certainly a worthy contender. Some of the Batman stuff is truly excellent.
I never really liked Spawn (although I only really read the first twenty or so issues so it may have changed), the fact that MacFarlane couldn't write for tofee and thus had a continuous stream of guest writers meant the story was permenantly in a state of flux and never really fulfilled it's potential.

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Message 11 of 43 (59673)
10-06-2003 7:30 AM
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10-05-2003 7:39 PM


I never really got deep into comics. Some guys in college had subscriptions and I got a bit hooked into it (this was the late 80s when the DC universe was under destruction...yet again).
But a roommate was very much into the Marvel comic books and he had a good issue from X-Factor when they were all sent to see the psychiatrist. Quicksilver was describing what it was like to be him (and I am paraphrasing like mad here): Do you know that feeling you get when you're standing behind some guy at the ATM who appears to be incapable of remembering his PIN and keeps punching buttons seemingly at random? Or how about when you go to the burger place and the person behind the counter seems unable to understand the simple statement, "Double cheeseburger, no pickles"? That's what it's like for me *all*the*time.* You people are so *slow!* You take *so*long* to do *everything.*
I thought that was a very clever description of what life would be like at an accelerated rate and would handily explain why he's such a prick.
The dreams of Rahne were pretty interesting, too. The Ren & Stimpy takeoff of the "Happy Happy Joy Joy" song: "Mutant mutant angst angst! Mutant mutant angst angst!" Oh my....
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Message 12 of 43 (59687)
10-06-2003 9:46 AM


What's the deal with crappy art in American comics?
Everytime I'm looking at comics (in Barnes and Noble, anyway) the Japanese manga stuff is gorgeous - bold color, amazing layout, clear artisic mastery - and the American stuff looks like f*ckin' Garfield. I flipped through The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and while the writing was superb, the art was like the sunday morning comics pages. When I opened the Marvel Manga Universe I was blown away to see my old fav's reimagined Japanese-style. (The manga Dr. Strange really reminded me of Dan Carroll's avatar, for some reason.)
I realize that there's as much crap from Japan as in America - now that TokyoPop is in the translation business, that appears to be more true than ever - but none of the American stuff, not even the stuff held to be the best, is anywhere on par with the art quality of the Japanese. What gives?

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Message 13 of 43 (59690)
10-06-2003 10:09 AM


I'm a big Clowes fan and like to pick up Eightball whenever I can spare the cash.
Does anyone remember the short-lived Atlas comics from the early Seventies? They had a newfangled look and series like Morlock, Phoenix, and Planet of the Vampires that appealed to the astronaut-mania of my generation. I recall the schoolyard scandals that Atlas's mildly raunchy language inspired. Unfortunately, the company canned its best artists and reworked their series (in a more traditional sci-fi style) in a desperate bid to stave off bankruptcy.
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Message 14 of 43 (59697)
10-06-2003 10:28 AM
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10-06-2003 9:46 AM


I think we've been through this before, but I'll try a different angle.
It all depends on where you look in American comics. The people widely holding certain Americans to be the best are the equivalent of those who hold Friends up as the best show on TV. While there is gorgeous work coming across from all over Japan, (Rumiko Takahashi being a notable example) I have yet to see anything that matches (in no particular order):
Winsor McKay (Little Nemo)
George Herriman (Krazy Kat)
Jack Kirby (a-duh)
Eddie Campbell (Alec, From Hell)
Dave McKean (Cages)
Charles Schulz (Peanuts)
Bill Sienkiewicz (Stray Toasters, among others)
Bill Watterson (Calvin & Hobbes)
Wally Wood (Various EC titles, most notably early MAD)
Will Eisner (Spirit, Dropsie stories)
Among others... this is all off the top of my head, and I'm sure to be lacking some key names. Of course, when you get right down to it, the best cartoonists in France blow America and Japan out of the water, but that's a whole different rant.
One note on LoEG, though. The art is supposed to look like crap illustrations from a Victorian adventure novel. Neat trick that makes it painful to look at sometimes. If you want an example of an excellent artist Moore is working with on the ABC line, check out Promethea.
-Dan Carroll: educating the world... one comic at a time.

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Message 15 of 43 (59702)
10-06-2003 10:38 AM
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10-06-2003 6:14 AM


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Sandman is a clear winner, mmm... Neil Gaiman.
Go read Signal to Noise by Neil Gaiman and Dave McKean. Far as I'm concerned, best thing Gaiman ever wrote. (And McKean is always a treat and a half.)
Not disparaging Sandman, mind you... wonderful stuff.

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