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patriot0717
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Message 526 of 612 (140252)
09-06-2004 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 524 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 2:36 AM


It is VERY serious
This is more serious than one would think. In Title 19, U.S. Code, Section 1001, the law states
Kerry said he received a Silver Star in Viet Nam. Kerry has released official documentation from the Navy that says he received a Silver Star in Viet Nam. So what is your reason for talking about the seriousness of an act of fraud that didn't happen.
I see a very disturbing possibility here. Is it possible that you would not want to know if people that you were entrusting your future and your security to were deceiving you? Don't you see the bigger picture here? Bush orchestrated a campaign against John McCains war record 4 years ago. The Bush campaign in S Carolina created a rumor mill with stories about John McCain's black baby. The Bush campaign suggested that John McCain might be mentally ill from his time in the prisoner of war camp. The Bush Administration said Sadaam had WMDs. Bush said he didn't know Ken Lay before his 2000 campaign. Does any of this matter?

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Message 527 of 612 (140323)
09-06-2004 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 526 by patriot0717
09-06-2004 3:06 AM


Re: It is VERY serious (Kerry unstable in all his ways?)
I agree its very serious, how did the combat V get written on Mr. Kerry's DDT 114, apparently this is not subject to a foggy memory, its falsifying records, hopefully the Navy will look into this matter, and for Kerry to release his complete Naval military & medical records, because there is what Kerry says, and there is what hes done, like falsifying his DDT 114, all supporting the Vets assertion that he is not fit to command, Kerry is a double minded man (flip flop)and the Inerrant Word says a double minded man (flip flops) is unstable in all his ways, Kerry says hes against abortion and for it, the bible is telling me that Kerry is an example of an unstable man, and this is the very problem Kerry has in his campaign, no one even knows what Kerry believes(not even Kerry), the american people are concerned because of his double tongue, like the saying he will not tax the middle class and his actually voting for increasing middle income tax increases while in the senate, is he for taxes or not, how is he not saying the one thing while he did the other, not lying to the middle class, etc...
(kjv Jam 1:8) A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways.
'V' for valor or Kerry's version? - Washington Times
On Friday, the Chicago Sun-Times ran a similar story by Thomas Lipscomb, who spoke to B.G. Burkett, author of "Stolen Valor" and recipient of the Army's highest award given to a civilian, the Distinguished Civilian Service Award. For his book, Mr. Burkett had to read thousands of military records to uncover phony claims of awards. "I've run across several claims for Silver Stars with combat 'V's, but they were all in fake records," he told Mr. Lipscomb.
Mr. and Mrs. Holzer bring up another interesting point. Over at JohnKerry.com, the Navy citation for Mr. Kerry's Silver Star does not mention the combat "V". It appears, then, that the Navy didn't mistakingly grant a "V" with Mr. Kerry's Silver Star. So, how did it get into Mr. Kerry's DD 214?
This is more serious than one would think. In Title 19, U.S. Code, Section 1001, the law states: "Whoever, in any manner within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the United States, knowingly and willfully ... makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years or both." As Mr. Lipscomb reports, a complaint filed by Mr. Burkett actually led to the sentencing of Navy Capt. Roger D. Edwards to 115 days in the brig for falsification of his records.
Mr. Kerry has yet another inconsistency to account for, and this one is by no means a question of foggy memories.

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patriot0717
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Message 528 of 612 (140336)
09-06-2004 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 527 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 12:00 PM


Kerry is a fine combat hero - Bush is a wimp who couldn't successfully complete Guard
"Whatever" - Your name is apt.
Whatever the truth, you will defend Bu$h
Whatever the cost, you will defend Bu$h
Whatever . . .
Americans are dying in Iraq and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.
Halliburton is stealing our children's future while Cheney is still being paid off and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.
80% of the chicken hawks who are running this war never spent a day in the military and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.
The terrorist who masterminded the attack on the World Trade Center 3 years ago is still on the loose and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.
Over a million jobs in America have been lost or sent overseas and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.
Almost 1000 Americans have died in Iraq and you're worried about whether or not a "V" should or shouldn't be on Kerry's website.
Whatever, your strategy of wasting time talking about non issues is exactly the distraction that your hero wants. Bu$h wants to divide us so that while we are arguing about some nonexistent issue (like a "V" that someone says is there that shouldn't be there) his boys can busily pick our pockets with impunity. Bu$h will be very happy to know that he has you on his side doing your part to assist in this national ripoff.

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Message 529 of 612 (140351)
09-06-2004 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 528 by patriot0717
09-06-2004 12:42 PM


I'm pleased that you agree that Kerry silver star (combat V) is questionable, GWB never questioned Kerry's militay record, its the Vets that are against a Kerry's presidency, it has nothing to do with Kerry being a democrat (Zell a democratic senator is supporting GWB), but of Kerry not being fit to command, etc... I agree though with GWB that Kerry is flip flopping on the issues, his voting record tells more of the man than whatever Kerry says, to me a double minded man is unstable in all his ways, and this is holding true in respect to Mr, Kerry, etc...
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Message 530 of 612 (140363)
09-06-2004 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 529 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 1:23 PM


why not go all the way and question the "V" with the bronze star?
perhaps the clerk typing all those DD214's has been typing "Bronze Star with combat V" all day.
The relevant point is that Kerry is not claiming his Silver Star came with a V but that he got the silver star and actually shows his finall DD214 on the website.
Now what about Shrubs DD214 .... ever see that one?

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patriot0717
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Message 531 of 612 (140415)
09-06-2004 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 529 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 1:23 PM


Bush is still a liar and now you are joining him
Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction to go to war. Now you're lying when you say that I agree with you. Is it a genetic disease with you right-wing neocons?
What I said was, we need to be having a national debate about whether or not it was a good idea to turn the $100 billion dollar national suprlus into $400+ billion dollar national debt instead of wasting time with distractions.
That we should be putting the microscope on the Iraq war, why we're there and how the hell we're gonna get out instead of wasting time with distractions.
That we should talking about why we are giving taxcuts to the wealthy while cutting social security, cutting education and, yes, even cutting hospitilization for veterans instead of wasting time with distractions.
We should be investigating the Bush/Cheny violations of the constitution and laws of the United Stated that they swore to uphold. instead of wasting time with distractions.
Here is a long list of things that are more important than your made-up, fictionalized accusations:
Bush's National Guard File Missing Records
Why Bush gets away with insider trading while Martha Stewart gets punished
Bush/Ashcroft attack on American civil liberties
Bush using Secret Service to attack Michael Moore's First Amendment rights
Why law abiding citizens find themselves on a government No-Fly list
Whether John Ashcroft can force companies to report employees who appear on a government blacklist
Whether this administration adequately trained military interegators or directly encouraged them to engage in torture in violation of the Geneva Convention
Whether or not we should be running up $400+ billion dollar deficits (that our children will have to pay) while giving America's (and foreign) billionaires massive taxcuts
Why the Bush Administration can't agree with the Bush Administration on an Iran policy AND why officials are leaking classified documents in order to advance their agenda
Why the Republicans have an aversion to the truth [143 lies from RNC]
Whether to restore $500 billion dollars to the Social Security trust fund that Bush said he wouldn't raid - and then did
Identifying and bringing to justice ALL those who violated the Geneva Convention, were responsible for but failed to enforce it and who encouraged, through official acts of their public offices

And last, but certainly not least, how to begin the process of recovering all the money that this administration has looted from the American people.
Now, Whatever, tell me which of these issues you think is less important than debating Kerry's well known, well documented and heroic Viet Nam service.
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Message 532 of 612 (140422)
09-06-2004 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by patriot0717
09-06-2004 4:05 PM


Re: Bush is still a liar and now you are joining him
the "I'm glad you agree" is one of whatever's favorite troll type posts and yes it is dishonest, but hey - it's the best he can do without admiting his own errors.
trolls just want others to respond, not have a rational debate.
nice links (for the rational people ... heh)

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Message 533 of 612 (140438)
09-06-2004 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 531 by patriot0717
09-06-2004 4:05 PM


Our freedoms are God ordained, lest we forget, and lose our freedoms
You must not of heard GWB speaking at the Republican Convention, George is standing up for America, he is not a deist, but a Christian who like Thomas Jefferson, who too prayed for America, and was concerned of the judgment of God on America, if we forget who to from who our freedoms come, however, find it interesting both of these presidents TJ and GWB share in the believe that our charter of freedom is from God's Holy Book and not mans wisdom, less government not more (less government is where the people disipline themselves TJ), and also shares George Washingtons quoting that Congress is to protect the religion of Jesus Christ, thus when GWB is pushing for the amendment to protect the sanctity of marriage, so churches will not be prosecuted for speaking of this sin, and so he is protecting religion from religion, so freedom of the people will remain the God given right to every American, etc...
P.S. Isaiah 1:19-26 interesting supports the judges to rule righteous judgements, or God would bring the sword upon the nation, this is where were at, if you reject the wisdom of the Charter is of God, but in respect to Israel the olivet discourse, it talks that God will restore the judges as they were at the first and Jerusalem will be the city of righteousness (prophecy). This is something to pray for, in America too, that God would restore our judges to as they were in the beginning of our country, so righteousness will again reign in the courts of our land, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Blackstone, to the protecting of religion from religion and from the infidel, etc...God is not mocked, and will judge us if you push sodomy as a legal marriage, cause for this reason of fornication, that the wisemen of Israel rejected the wisdom of the Word, and was cast into slavery, and missed the visitation, etc...
P.S. George Washington said that Congress will protect the religion of Jesus Christ, Thomas Jefferson prayed that God would bless the USA, they set the Constitution so its morals were God ordained, so its citizens wouldn't be in conflict with the religion of Jesus Christ, but also protected the citizens from religion, its really a closed book, meaning were founded as a Christian nation, our Charter is derived by the Holy Book, Gods charter not mans, etc...

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Message 534 of 612 (140443)
09-06-2004 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 533 by johnfolton
09-06-2004 5:48 PM


whatever, you are lying again.
TJ and GWB share in the believe that our charter of freedom is from God's Holy Book
Please show where Mr. Jefferson says our freedoms come from God's Holy Book.

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Message 535 of 612 (140454)
09-06-2004 6:57 PM
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09-06-2004 6:22 PM


jar, I already explained our charters are not from man but God(meaning our constitution came from Gods Word, and you agreed that it all implied the same as the Blackstone quoting TJ saying, he proclaimed to the whole world that God is the author of our rights, etc...Thought this was like water under the bridge, that TJ showed he was a Christian and not a Deist, cause a Deist doesn't believe God plays a role, but the Christian does, GWB believes in protecting religion from religion and from the infidel, as did TJ, etc...
http://www.thinkexist.com/English/Author/x/Author_2104_7.htm
How necessary was the care of the Creator in making the moral principle so much a part of our constitution as that no errors reasoning or of speculation might lead us astray from its observance in practice. Thomas Jefferson
"The evidence of [the] natural right [of expatriation], like that of our right to life, liberty, the use of our faculties, the pursuit of happiness, is not left to the feeble and sophistical investigations of reason, but is impressed on the sense of every man. We do not claim these under the charters of kings or legislators, but under the King of Kings." --Thomas Jefferson to John Manners, 1817. ME 15:124
"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227

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Message 536 of 612 (140462)
09-06-2004 7:08 PM
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09-06-2004 6:57 PM


whatever, you are lying again.
Please show where Mr. Jefferson says our freedoms come from God's Holy Book.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 537 of 612 (140469)
09-06-2004 7:24 PM
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09-06-2004 7:08 PM


When TJ said our liberties was not based on the charters of man, but of God, he said it all, for if a man would of made the Charter off mans wisdom and not Gods wisdom, he would not of been able to give God the glory, it was a proclamation that God is the author of our rights, etc...
P.S. He then said it should be ingrained in the minds of the people, which means he supported the Religion of Jesus Christ, as did all the founding fathers, so the different denominations would all have the freedom, from religion, so they could be about the worship of Jesus so that it would be ingrained in the minds of the people that our freedoms are a gift of God, and indeed our rights are, lest we forget, etc...
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Message 538 of 612 (140475)
09-06-2004 7:43 PM
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09-06-2004 7:24 PM


whatever, you are lying STILL.
Please show where Mr. Jefferson says our freedoms come from God's Holy Book.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 539 of 612 (140488)
09-06-2004 7:59 PM
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09-06-2004 7:43 PM


Founding Fathers didn't reject God's Word
When TJ said our liberties was not based on the charters of man, but of God, Gods Word is it not the Charter of God to man, was not Isreal to be an example to the World, and did not our founding fathers follow the charters of the Holy Word of God, etc...
P.S. They realized his Holy Word was a gift to man, and our rights are from God, they knew that Israel rejected the wisdom therein, that they missed the visitation and were cast into slavery, so this is consistent with not to forget our freedoms are the gift of God, the Holy Book, etc...With the liberal judges ruling in favor of sodomy, they are in essense rejecting Gods charter and relying on mans wisdom, etc....

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Message 540 of 612 (140537)
09-06-2004 10:40 PM
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09-06-2004 7:59 PM


whatever, please answer the question.
Please show where Mr. Jefferson says our freedoms come from God's Holy Book.
It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism; he preaches the efficacy of repentence toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it. Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore him to the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, the roguery of others of his disciples. Of this band of dupes and imposters, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and the first corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus. Letter to W. Short, 1820
Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

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