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Author Topic:   Pat Robertson shows again why the Christian Right is such a laughingstock
Nuggin
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Message 196 of 232 (236890)
08-25-2005 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Tal
08-25-2005 3:00 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
I assume that "UBL" stands for Osama.
I don't recall him being in any of the planes that day. Also, I seem to remember something about Osama being a Saudi himself.
Hrmmm...
The fact of the matter is that NONE of the 9/11 guys were Iraqi, and yet here we are at war with Iraq, the #1 competitor for Saudi oil export.
Who's making out best in this arrangement?

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FairWitness
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Message 197 of 232 (236894)
08-25-2005 3:25 PM
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08-25-2005 3:03 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
If the patient has life threatening illness, then they must be given medical treatment appropriate for the diagnosis, regardless of their ability to pay. Now as to transplant surgery, there are fully insured patients whose insurance companies consider that to be experimental & deny coverage, so insured patients are in the same situation as uninsured patients. It has nothing to do with economic status. It depends on the policies & procedures in place at the hospital and the state in which you reside.

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Message 198 of 232 (236896)
08-25-2005 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 2:57 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
According to liberals, our government is as oppressive, if not more so, than that of Saudi Arabia. You guys are never satisfied. You want the ME to function like our country does, and yet you are continually & perpetually complaining about the injustices of our system. Nothing is ever enough.

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FairWitness
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Message 199 of 232 (236897)
08-25-2005 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 2:49 PM


Re: Go without health care?
Granted, in a perfect world, we'd all have this, but we've got to pay for this. How would you accomplish this?

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Modulous
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Message 200 of 232 (236899)
08-25-2005 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 1:40 PM


Civilian settlements for military security
The settlements were always about the safety & security of Israel.
Human shields?

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FairWitness
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Message 201 of 232 (236900)
08-25-2005 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 2:44 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
Let me tell you something about rural WV. The folks who hail from these areas are some of the most patriotic, down-to-Earth, honest, hard-working people I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. They have traditional, family values. They live frugally & they don't complain about what they don't have all the time. They live without & they've learned to be happy in life anyway. They live a simple, wholesome existence. They don't need liberals interferring in their lives, raising their taxes, imposing regulations on them, telling them what to do. They got life figured out, like the rest of us used to, before liberals acquired so much power.
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FairWitness
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Message 202 of 232 (236902)
08-25-2005 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Modulous
08-25-2005 3:38 PM


Re: Civilian settlements for military security
No, they moved in among the Palestinians hoping to become friends & neighbors with each other. The aim or the goal was assimilation.

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Nuggin
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Message 203 of 232 (236903)
08-25-2005 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 3:33 PM


Re: Go without health care?
As I said, it's actually cheaper for people to get preventative medicine than to get emergency medicine.
I also suspect that the hundreds of billions of dollars we are pouring into Iraq could go a long way towards universal Health care.

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FliesOnly
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Message 204 of 232 (236906)
08-25-2005 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 3:25 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
FairWitness writes:
If the patient has life threatening illness, then they must be given medical treatment appropriate for the diagnosis, regardless of their ability to pay.
But this is not Health care. Health Care would this patient having access to medical attention PRIOR to the problem being diagnosed. You know...things like yearly mammograms and Pap smears for women, and if you're a guy you get the ole turn your head and cough or bend over and drop your pants, while everyone should get access to routine yearly physical exams, dental coverage, eye exams...etc. To argue that these things are currently available to everyone is ridiculous.
FairWitness writes:
Now as to transplant surgery, there are fully insured patients whose insurance companies consider that to be experimental & deny coverage, so insured patients are in the same situation as uninsured patients.
Not really. You see, those with insurance may encounter these problems while those without insurance will go undiagnosed until it is too late. "Why?", you ask. Cuz they don't have any friggen health care!
FairWitness writes:
It has nothing to do with economic status.
Either you are completely naive or we're talking about two different things here, because health care has EVERYTHING to do with economic status.

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FairWitness
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Message 205 of 232 (236907)
08-25-2005 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 3:43 PM


Re: Go without health care?
Sir, we won't have any need of health care if Islamic terrorists succeed in acquiring the WMD's they wish to & then use them to annihilate us all. This war has to be fought & we must win it.
How did we go from health care to the war in Iraq, anyway? You're all over the map on this thread.
What happened to the discussion about Rev. Pat Robertson's outrageous call for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez?

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Nuggin
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Message 206 of 232 (236908)
08-25-2005 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 3:38 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
Re: West Virginia
Okay, first off, I was raised in Morgantown, my brother and sister were born there.
Secondly, I'm not attacking the people of West Virginia, I'm pointing out, correctly, that as a population they suffer from poverty.
Third, when you say "They don't need liberals interferring in their lives" as a response to my suggestion that they be given a bigger slice of the pie, it sounds like you don't have their best interest at heart. Also, not only are we not suggesting that we raise their taxes, we are suggesting that opposite! We raise other peoples taxes so that these people can do better.
And lastly, "They got life figured out, like the rest of us used to, before liberals acquired so much power." Ummm, Republican President. Republican Senate. Republican House. What the hell do you mean by "so much power". The liberals currently control NONE of the Government.

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FliesOnly
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Message 207 of 232 (236909)
08-25-2005 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 3:38 PM


Re: Obviously not Christian, but....
FairWitness writes:
They got life figured out, like the rest of us used to, before liberals acquired so much power.
Are you kidding me? What fucking planet do you live on?
Edited to fix typo.
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Tal
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Message 208 of 232 (236910)
08-25-2005 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 3:43 PM


Re: Go without health care?
I also suspect that the hundreds of billions of dollars we are pouring into Iraq could go a long way towards universal Health care.
Move to Canada, they have a wonderful healthcare system.
Until you get sick.

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FliesOnly
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Message 209 of 232 (236911)
08-25-2005 3:53 PM
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08-25-2005 3:52 PM


Re: Go without health care?
Tal writes:
Move to Canada, they have a wonderful healthcare system.
Until you get sick.
I didn't know you were Canadian

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Nuggin
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Message 210 of 232 (236912)
08-25-2005 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by FairWitness
08-25-2005 3:49 PM


Re: Go without health care?
Sir, we won't have any need of health care if Islamic terrorists succeed in acquiring the WMD's they wish to & then use them to annihilate us all. This war has to be fought & we must win it.
The war is Iraq is not about terrorists acquiring WMD. Firstly, Iraq didn't have any. Second, Saddam's government was secular and hated by the terrorist states. Third, Korea has WMD, is selling them to terrorist, but doesn't have oil and we aren't at war there.
How did we go from health care to the war in Iraq, anyway? You're all over the map on this thread.
You asked "where would we get the money to pay for healthcare for US citizens." I answered that question by suggesting that we use the money we are spending on the war on healthcare instead. That's not all over the map, that's an answer to your question.
As for the PT thing, agreed, this thread has long since jumped the rails, but at least its all in one thread.

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