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kuresu
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Message 42 of 171 (478471)
08-15-2008 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Buzsaw
08-05-2008 6:37 AM


Re: Jerome Corsi
It's not the number of sources, but the quality of the source that counts. I can source wikipedia three hundred times writing a history paper about how the cotton gin enabled the economic survival of slavery in the American South. Or, I could actually source first hand documents and secondary documents (written by experts on the subject matter).
And now you're changing the number of sources in the Obama Nation book. First 600, now 700? Which is it?
Perhaps in this thread members who take issue with the above may work to refute one or more of the connections listed here. So far all we see is substanceless yada from Corsi critiques
We are. See, in order to take Corsi's stances seriously, he has to be taken seriously. But if he's a crackpot, everything he states is highly suspect.

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kuresu
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Message 98 of 171 (478950)
08-22-2008 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:14 PM


Hitler is Obama?
yeah . . .let's see.
Hitler became popular for dismantling the Treaty of Versailles, which had crippled the German republic since they wree forced to sign it (the reparations being one of the major causes of the massive inflation that killed the Weimar republic. not as bad as Brazils in the 90s on Zimbabwe now, not not by much). He did this by promoting one thing the nation had a history of greatness in--militarization. He got them out of depression by building one of the best war economies the world had seen, breaking the Treaty of Versaille (not that anyone at the League cared). He instilled national pride in them when he convinced them to go to war against Europe, and guess what--they were winning easily.
The key thing you're missing in your comparison of Hitler and Obama is the aspect of militarization and complete disregard for international treaties. Obama has yet to advocate the strengthening of our economy by tripling our war-machine. In fact, he's doing the opposite--saying let's shrink it by getting out of Iraq and spending the money on domestic issues. Obama has also yet to propose a "take over the world" scheme to build pride in a devastated nation. Do you seriously think he will?
Another key point you miss is that the US of 2008 is nothing like the Germany of 1932. Our recession is not the Great Depression of the 1920s for Germany (their's being far worse than our GD).
So yeah, I think I will laugh at your comparison on the two because, as usual, you've got things so, so wrong.

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kuresu
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Message 99 of 171 (478951)
08-22-2008 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:30 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
fucking christ, Buz, calm down. Step away from the computer and come back tomorrow once the steam coming out of your ears has resided.

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kuresu
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Message 113 of 171 (478999)
08-23-2008 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Buzsaw
08-22-2008 9:41 PM


Re: Still no socialism
It's also not moving toward that direction. They've elected their most conservative governments (repealing taxes!) in the 1990s and 2000s since the 1930s, when they were in bed with Hitler.
I also highly doubt Sweden will move in that direction. And since I am Swedish, and somewhat familiar with them and their politics, I might have a better idea than you.

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kuresu
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Message 114 of 171 (479000)
08-23-2008 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Buzsaw
08-22-2008 9:21 PM


Re: Hitler is Obama?
Why don't you address the items listed in my message?
I did. Not as a point by point refutation. Reread my argument. All those comparisons you listed don't show that Hitler=Obama. That's why I mentioned militarism, massive inflation, war, breaking international treaties, etc.
There were, however, striking similarities which you can't just laugh off.
True. Hitler was an elected dictator by 1936. The US has elected Bush II the dictator (oops, that's Cheney). Germany in 1936 was building a war machine that nearly took down Europe, Britain, and the USSR. The US today has a massive war machine that's stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Now then, if you actually had anything to counter with you would show how I'm wrong instead of re-posting your failed list. You should counter why militarism, massive inflation, disregard for international law, etc do not factor into why Hitler and Obama are the same. Because if you don't, and just claim I'm not dealing with your list, you've shown your hand, and it's empty.
Now then, as to your list.
Hitler was very popular in Germany before and after gaining power
So was Julius Ceasar. So was George Washington. Are they also Hitler?
Hitler was a slick and capable orator who chould appear as all things to all citizens.
So was Cicero. Or Jesus Christ (given the shear number of separate sects, interpretations, etc I'd say you can make Christ a hippie communist or a die-hard facsist). Or Williams Jenning Bryant. Or Churchill. None of them are Hitler, are they?
Hitler's policies were quite socialistic
Debatable, however, if taken at face value. So were Bismarck's when they were introduced in the 1890s (I think that's when they came out). So were the Labor Party's in Britain (and they're all speaking German, right?). So were some of Christ's. So were France's. Are any of those leaders Hitler?
Hitler promised change and the people got change.
Didn't Christ change things? The ace up every politician's sleeve when times are bad is "I will change things for the better!". Does that make practically every politician Hitler?
Hitler was what some refer to as a messiah figure.
Christ was what some refer to as a messiah figure. Oh, but wait, Christ is obviously not Hitler, right?
See how useless and stupid your list is? You can't cherry pick certain qualities and say that two people are thus the same. You have to take in the whole picture.

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