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Granny Magda
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Message 136 of 171 (571466)
07-31-2010 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 7:02 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
Hi Buz. I had a feeling you would provide us with comedy gold on this one. That's why I bookmarked it at the time.

Forced Unionism

Neither forced arbitration nor the elimination of secret ballots represents forced unionism.

Socialized Medicine

Apart from the simple fact that US healthcare is (sadly) not a socialised system, this hardly counts as an amazing prediction. What you're basically accusing Obama of here is keeping his campaign promises. The monster!

He said he would do this. It hardly demonstrates your powers of prophecy.

Undermine Military

Do you notice the presence of the phrase "Presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama" in that article? That's a clue. It's from Feb 29th, 2008! Let's try to stick to things that the President has actually done shall we?

Besides which, I'm all in favour of reducing nightmarish nukes and silly space weapons. If this is what Obama is doing, more power to him.

One of the first things he did after taking office was to stop the production of what was to be the worlds most effective strategic bomber; all this while Russia's Putin pledges to advance their strategic bomber program.

The US is the most powerful military machine on the planet, by a wide margin. Russia's military is, by contrast, outdated and pathetic. That might provide you with a hint as to why the Russians feel the need to invest in technologies that your military effectively already has.

The US is spending quite enough on its military as things stand. In 2009 you guys spent US$661 billion on your military. That's 4.3% of GDP. Russia meanwhile spent only around 53 billion, about 3.5% of GDP (they have actually cut their military budget in recent years). In other words, the US is spending more than twelve times as much as Russia (all these figures are from here by the way). The US was responsible for an astonishing 43% of world military expenditure during 2009. I think we'd all benefit from seeing that in a nice bar chart.

Tremble in your boots decadent Americans! The terrifying Russian Bear is coming for you!

Seriously Buz, how much exactly do you want the US to spend on this?

Paramilitary

Your article asks "Is Obama's "civilian national security force" a ruse for something far more sinister?".

No. No it's not.

If you want to prove that it is, it might help if you tried citing an article a little more recent than Nov 7th 2008! It would be nice if you could track down something a little more substantive than the dated ramblings of an internet nutball about what he imagines Obama is going to do.

There are presently around 40 paramilitary Muslim camps in the US in arms training.

Sorry! We could not find url! Nor could we find 40 paramilitary Muslim camps in the US! Your link is broken.

Obama's version of fairness doctrine

That's right Buz! All the right-wing pundits have been taken off the air and hounded from the very pages of the internet. Remember the day when they were all rounded up and taken before the firing squad? It brings a tear to my eye to picture it now... Glenn Beck didn't need to rub vaseline in his eyes to cry that day! It was a bit disappointing how Limbaugh pissed his pants and begged like a little girl though. I had hoped for better.

Except... you just linked to a Glenn Back page. So I guess he's okay. And all the other windbags continue to spew their moronic, hate-filled lies on a daily basis. So I guess they're all fine too. Oh well.

Let's not forget what you said;

Buzsaw writes:

5. So called (miss called) Fairness Doctrine essentially eliminating right wing talk shows in the media, highly expanding what is regarded as hate speech.

Please do not stoop so low as to pretend that this has happened. You should be above that.

While publically opposing the old Fairness Doctrine, his Czarist regime has powerful czars all undermining representive government in every area of government so as to make empower the executive branch as supreme.

What the hell has that got to do with the fairness doctrine? And where were you whilst the Bush administration were just as busy stomping on individual privacy as Obama is? On the sidelines, cheer-leading, that's where.

It's taken me 2 hours to research and verify these five.

I think your time could have been better spent. They were all bullshit.

So. Zero out of nineteen. Not great so far. I was right though. It is funny, funny stuff. Please, by all means keep it coming.

Mutate and Survive

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Edited by Granny Magda, : I like bar charts.


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Taz
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Message 137 of 171 (571468)
07-31-2010 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Buzsaw
07-30-2010 10:26 PM


Re: Point by point refutation
Buz, one of the things I've noticed about soothsayers like Pat Robertson and yourself is you guys tend to make a lot of predictions (almost always dire in nature) and then when not one comes to fruition you guys either claim that god works in mysterious ways or you go on making more dire predictions that never come to fruition.

Off the top of my head, I can name over a dozen prophecies made by Pat Robertson (prophesies of biblical proportion) that never came to be. And as it stands, you're right up there with these dire prophesies that have never, is never, and will never come to fruition.

Even your own bible talks about false prophets. Speaking as a skeptic, my interpretation of this particular part of the bible is that it's not just talking all about people who will claim to be prophets of god. It's also talking about people who would throw out thousands of predictions and then when 1 of those thousands of predictions actually come true they will use it to prove that they are indeed god's chosen.

As it stands, I'm quite puzzled with you. You claim to adhere to the teachings of the bible. And yet you act the exact opposite of what it teaches. This isn't just hypocrisy. This is a combination of hypocrisy, dishonesty, outright lies, and a whole bunch of other personality flaws that are borderline psychological disorder.

Off the top of my head, I can remember dozens and dozens of threads you've started and hundreds of messages you've posted claiming ridiculous things, outright lies, and predictions of epic proportion that never came to past. The thing is I can't remember a single time when you have rescinded or apologized for your libels, slanders, and other forms of defamations.

Please help me understand you better. Do you even follow the teachings of the bible or are you just another soothsayer?


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Buzsaw
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Message 138 of 171 (571491)
07-31-2010 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Taz
07-31-2010 8:44 PM


Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
I have never claimed to have the gift of prophecy. As scientists do, I base predictions on researched data from his past life, past associates, known facts about him including voting record in state and national politics, what he has campaigned on and his supporters such as the Communist party, Jehadist Hammas and the Nation of Islam etc.

Now, two years into his administration, it appears that the trend is positive relative to nearly all of the points which I cited before he was considered by the pundunts able to beat Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

His extensive czarist regime appointees, accountable only to him, put in place to extend his powers above the other two branches of government and to in many cases circumvent Congress, match the radical associates of his past. They don't come more radical than some of these.

It is the trend which appears to be on track for his aspirations. He must move only at the pace he dares, given the watch people in places like the internet and Fox News etc. Were it not for these, he would already be essentially Hugo Chavez in the White House.

He duped Israel and many Americans into believing he would support Israel. LOL on that, given how he reaches out to placate the Muslim world and snubs Israel.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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jar
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Message 139 of 171 (571492)
07-31-2010 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
So once again, instead of addressing any of the points folk raise you fall back on more innuendo and unsupported assertions.

I imagine you can present evidence of where the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.

Still waiting.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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crashfrog
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Message 140 of 171 (571499)
07-31-2010 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
His extensive czarist regime appointees

You do understand that Obama has less "czars" than Bush did, right? And that "czar" doesn't actually mean czar, it's just a media title for a certain kind of executive appointment?

put in place to extend his powers above the other two branches of government and to in many cases circumvent Congress, match the radical associates of his past.

If Obama can "circumvent Congress" why don't we have public option health care? How did cap-and-trade not pass if Obama can "circumvent Congress"?

You know even less about politics than you do about science. Where do you get this stuff? Tea parties?

It is the trend which appears to be on track for his aspirations.

"Trends." "Aspirations." So, no real evidence then.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 141 of 171 (571504)
07-31-2010 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
I have never claimed to have the gift of prophecy. As scientists do, I base predictions on researched data from his past life, past associates, known facts about him including voting record in state and national politics, what he has campaigned on and his supporters such as the Communist party, Jehadist Hammas and the Nation of Islam etc.

One difference between you and scientists is that all your predictions turned out to be wrong.

This is because of another big difference between you and scientists --- that your idea of "researched data" is any bullshit that someone makes up that happens to feed your prejudices.

It is the trend which appears to be on track for his aspirations. He must move only at the pace he dares, given the watch people in places like the internet and Fox News etc. Were it not for these, he would already be essentially Hugo Chavez in the White House.

That's an interesting excuse for why you were wrong about everything. It allows you to maintain your customary level of hatred and paranoia even if every single fact available to you contradicts your delusions.

His extensive czarist regime appointees, accountable only to him, put in place to extend his powers above the other two branches of government and to in many cases circumvent Congress ...

Translation from crazy into English: Obama is doing exactly what every other president has done, but since he hasn't done anything we can actually criticize him for, I guess we're going to have to pretend that this is sinister in some way.

He duped Israel and many Americans into believing he would support Israel. LOL on that, given how he reaches out to placate the Muslim world and snubs Israel.

Let's have an actual quotation, shall we?

Our job is to do more than lay out another road map; our job is to rebuild the road to real peace and lasting security throughout the region. That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy. That will always be my starting point. [...] We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs.

This would help Israel maintain its military edge and deter and repel attacks from as far as Tehran and as close as Gaza.

And when Israel is attacked, we must stand up for Israelís legitimate right to defend itself.

Such a snub, eh? And giving them $30,000,000,000 dollars must have really stung.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Buzsaw
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Message 142 of 171 (571581)
08-01-2010 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Dr Adequate
07-31-2010 11:37 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Dr Adequate writes:

And giving them $30,000,000,000 dollars must have really stung.

Aug 16, 2007, Before Obama:

JERUSALEM ó The United States offered Israel on Thursday an unprecedented $30-billion military aid package, bolstering its closest Mideast ally.

The aid deal signed in a ceremony in Jerusalem represents a 25 percent rise in U.S. military aid to Israel, from a current $2.4 billion each year to $3 billion a year over 10 years.

Nicholas Burns, the U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs, and Israeli Foreign Minister Director-General Aharon Abramovitz signed the memorandum of understanding on the assistance

Strategically we need Israel in the Mideast in order to protect our interests in the region. They are the only stabalizing factor to avoid total hostility towards the West and afford some stability in the region.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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jar
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Message 143 of 171 (571582)
08-01-2010 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
08-01-2010 10:25 AM


How does Israel stabilize anything?
Buz writes:

Strategically we need Israel in the Mideast in order to protect our interests in the region. They are the only stabalizing factor to avoid total hostility towards the West and afford some stability in the region.

How exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

AbE:

I imagine you can present evidence of where the Obama Administration has taken over a private business, natural resources and the production of goods.

Still waiting.

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Edited by jar, : remind Buz that there are things he still needs to support before changing the subject


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate
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Message 144 of 171 (571586)
08-01-2010 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
08-01-2010 10:25 AM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
Aug 16, 2007, Before Obama:

And after. He's not bound by the memorandum of understanding agreed on by the Bush administration and Israel; he has the option to cut it; he said he wouldn't before he was elected; and he hasn't.

Strategically we need Israel in the Mideast in order to protect our interests in the region. They are the only stabalizing factor to avoid total hostility towards the West and afford some stability in the region.

Then you must be a big fan of Obama's policies towards Israel. The real ones, that is, as represented by what he actually says and does, not the imaginary ones in your head.


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DC85
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Message 145 of 171 (571590)
08-01-2010 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Buzsaw Claims No Prophecy Gift
It is the trend which appears to be on track for his aspirations. He must move only at the pace he dares, given the watch people in places like the internet and Fox News etc. Were it not for these, he would already be essentially Hugo Chavez in the White House.

Yet he wants bigger government and "socialism? Do you have any idea how crazy you sound?

He duped Israel and many Americans into believing he would support Israel. LOL on that, given how he reaches out to placate the Muslim world and snubs Israel.
So trying to have both sides concede is going against Israel? How is he favoring Muslims? You REALLY need to explain this one.

The United States has no right to take sides based ONLY on religion no matter who or what the voters want. To do anything else would be throwing the constitution out the window.


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DrJones*
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Message 146 of 171 (571634)
08-01-2010 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Buzsaw
07-31-2010 7:02 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
One of the first things he did after taking office was to stop the production of what was to be the worlds most effective strategic bomber

What bomber would that be Buz?


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

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jar
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Message 147 of 171 (571635)
08-01-2010 4:51 PM
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08-01-2010 4:27 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
The one that Gates said would likely be included in the 2011 budget and that is projected to go into service sometime between 2018 and 2020.

BUT...

that was before they realized that the world is going to end in 2012.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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DrJones*
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Message 148 of 171 (571637)
08-01-2010 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by jar
08-01-2010 4:51 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
The one that Gates said would likely be included in the 2011 budget

So the one that contrary to Buz's claim, isn't actually in production. The one that doesn't have a flying test aircraft. The one that doesn't have a design selected. The one that doesn't have a design. The one that doesn't exist except as a list of "must have" and "want" specifications.

That one.

To sum up: Buz lied about Obama stopping production of a new strategic bomber.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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jar
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Message 149 of 171 (571638)
08-01-2010 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by DrJones*
08-01-2010 5:00 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
DrJones* writes:

So the one that contrary to Buz's claim, isn't actually in production. The one that doesn't have a flying test aircraft. The one that doesn't have a design selected. The one that doesn't have a design.

Yes, it is not in production, likely ain't even close to production and TTBOMK there is not a flight test aircraft yet, BUT, I can say that as long ago as April of 2008 Northrup Grumman's first quarter financial report showed a two billion dollar "restricted program" contract so it is certainly possible that by now there is a design.

I'm not sure I'd say Buz is lying, only that just as with his refusal to admit that the Biblical Flood has been thoroughly refuted, he refuses to admit that the nonsense he posts about Obama is nothing but misrepresentation, innuendo and unsupported assertions.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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DrJones*
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Message 150 of 171 (571640)
08-01-2010 5:20 PM
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08-01-2010 5:14 PM


Re: Buzsaw Predictions/1908
BUT, I can say that as long ago as April of 2008 Northrup Grumman's first quarter financial report showed a two billion dollar "restricted program" contract so it is certainly possible that by now there is a design

I will concede the point that a design may be finalized as a black project.

I'm not sure I'd say Buz is lying, only that just as with his refusal to admit that the Biblical Flood has been thoroughly refuted, he refuses to admit that the nonsense he posts about Obama is nothing but misrepresentation, innuendo and unsupported assertions.

You're right, for Buz to be lying he'd have to knowingly be passing on falsehoods. I''l retract my claim of Buz being a liar and just chalk it up to him being as ignorant on this topic as he is on almost everything else.


It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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