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I want to know more about what you were talking about and the situation in general, Chris.Add to edit: Thanks for the 411, young Porcelain!This message has been edited by Phatboy, 03-01-2005 00:21 AM

Do you think that too many people are trusting others to define their relationship with Jesus and God? Rather than rely on what the bible and the spirit tells them?Buzz/Phat - if you see this, I'd love to get your views on this?maybe we should spin this into another thread?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 28 February 2005 15:44 AM

Yes. I used to trust others because I was too lazy and unaware to relate to God on an individual basis except occasionally. Many of my prayers were uttered at church. I HAD been saved and I knew God, but I was waiting for God to talk to me through a sermon or an elder in the church. I will never make this mistake again.I still listen, but I talk to Him before them.

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that's part of the problem, usually the most outspoken are the ones that know least within the christian community sometimes, at least that's what I experienced.You can't help to be influenced but in the wise words of a good christian "All I need is my conscience and my mind", in reply to a christian that needed a chalkboard.

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Im starting a new thread guys...Im gonna call it
Christian Advice among Believers.

they really hate it when you challenge them with the bible. it makes them look bad, when what they believe has nothing to do with what they say the believe. especially when you challenge their isolation on it.but no, jesus wouldn't have, and didn't run away. in fact, he was the outsider. he was voicing his different opinion, and taking on the church authority. that is, afterall, why they killed him. or maybe they missed that point, that jesus was revolutionay.you can't have a revolution alone in the dark. hahahahahaha. classic.answer. women are supposed to have hair.
question. why did god make men attracted to prepubescent (hairless) girls? suits. oh god, the suits. jesus didn't wear a nice suit, did he? and they will call it the coming of the antichrist. i'm very familiar with this. it's part of the cycle of modern xtianity. binge and purge, and the purging they do at camps. put a bunch of them together, isolate them from the world. get them to all think the same thing, make them feel guilty for their normal lives. introduce the speaker who urges them to come back and stay away from everyone else. play some bad music, have a religious experience.the faith they instill is weak and transient. that's why they have to avoid the world. set up the outsiders, and tell you of the constant threat. keep you scared so you stay.it's a fucking cult. stay away from it. jesus was a pretty cool guy. i think it's gross the things people do in his name. i'm convinced he would have no place in a christian church. i'm also convinced that he would turned away, accused of blasphemy or heresy, or said to be possessed.i mean, that is what happened last time. how did the church a revolutionary inspired become the very thing he was trying to change?

I can't believe this is happening.

The Suits are Picking up the Bill.Gotta love the SNZ.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

God knows who's done what. Like if creos come on here and convert, you'll likely hear about it here. If one of you convert out, imo it's not as likely you/they'll stick around to say so. Or maybe they'll become disilusioned and drift off. I don't know. This's just speculation, except that God does indeed know.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Hi Charles. I'll try to respond to this in a manner so as to keep on topic.1. I'm reading a lot of stuff here about Christian talk boards and Christians in general, some of which disturbs me as to the charges. If some of the sites like Terry's TO is as intolerant and inhospitable to outsiders as it appears, it appears as per charges that they have a problem. Having been closely associated with dozens of fundamentalist Christian organizations and churches over the years, unfortunately, I tend to think some of the charges may be valid.2. Charles, imo, your question has hit heavily on the problem. Too many Christians and specifically too many pastors, evangelists, web masters, university professors, teachers, et al have a problem somewhat like science professionals have, imho. They've been indoctrinated via an assembly line of technitions who have programed into their minds what their minds should think and how they should act from 1st kindegarten on up. For example, I've been interested in Biblical prophecy since a kid. I've read scores of books on it, but not until I focused in on THE BOOK have I been able to sort things out to make sense and harmonize.3. According to the NT, the fruit of the Holy Spirit is, love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. Galations 5:22, 23. Read this list slowly and thoughfully. If we who call ourselves Christians would bear these fruits in our daily lives, we'd still be persecuted and despised for our message, but not for our conduct, as seems to be the problem here.4. Guess what Charles? Jesus prophesied through John the revelator in Revelation 3:14-22 as to the problem with end time Christianity. Imo, the letters to the seven churches are prophetic as is all of Revelation. The last and 7th church period, imo is our age, i.e, the Laodicean church period. Even God is highly ticked at us in general, to the point of spitting us out of his mouth. Nevertheless that is not to say all Christians are Laodicean/lukewarm The last verse says we can be overcomers and admonishes us to be so. God hates lukewarmness. He'd rather we be either cold or hot for him as the text goes.5. I've said the above to say this: Don't judge Christ or Christianity, websites, web forum boards or individual churches or groups of Christians by certain individuals in them including their leaders. Judge Christians on the basis of the New Testament, the apostles of Jesus and Jesus himself. Do so also with Muslims and other religions. Saddam H and Ben L and their fundie people are not madmen. They, like good Christians follow the teaching and practices of their Lord/master/prophet Mohammed. Devout Catholics have over the centuries followed the teachings and practices of their holy fathers, the popes and history attests to the tradgic results during the dark ages. Jim Bakker's people did likewise, as did/do J Swaggart's. And getting closer to home, I've been in certain very intolerant and unhospitable Baptist kind of churches as well as other denominations. I've also been in some very good Baptist kind of churches, some independent or other denominations.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

i can. read more bible, it's nothing new.

This isn't the christianity I knew. It's changing, becoming some sort of middle ages evil with the addition of corportions.

It's really not that different. There is more opportunity these days, and bigger audiences mean more pockets to pick, but Billy Sunday would feel right at home, from stealing bases to stealing souls. And it was this way in Jesus day as well.The only problem is that tv and the internet can be emotive mediums, the perfect media for snake-oil salesmen. The rest is business as usual.There have always been exclusionist, bigots, hate-mongers, fear-mongers. They were the same whether it was in a crowd on the banks of the Jordan River, under the Spanish Moss hanging from the Live Oak in Mississippi or in a Crystal Palace before the cameras.

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Please take it to Christian Advice among Believers., at which (BTW) message 1 includes : The above refers to message 77 of this topic ( again).AdminnemooseusThis message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 03-01-2005 00:37 AM

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Yeah but the religious community I had known sort of despised the media. I mean it sort of was played off as a conspiracy but I think creation offered a shield from the media. That shield was broken, I mean it wasn't a strong shield but to me it provided two years of real christianity. I think the force that broke it was patriotism and fear from the war in Iraq.

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