Why are all Christians atheists?

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I've no genuine reason to believe it is self-delusion, from my experience.

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But everybody who holds to superstitious beliefs says that.The Jim Jones cult people didn't think they were deluded, either, nor the Cargo cults, nor the Heaven's Gate cults, nor the guy at the local insane asylum who thinks he is Jesus.That's the nature of delusion. You aren't aware of being deluded.

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That doesn't mean I'm incorrect.

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It doesn't mean that any superstition is incorrect, then.They could all be "correct", right?

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You favour that it IS superstition, and that it is incorrect, which isn't impartial Shraff - it comes from your own beliefs.

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No, I favor the liklihood of superstition because the evidence most strongly supports that view. Remember the guy at the asylum who thinks he is Jesus?Anything we dream up could be "correct", Mike. But there's no way to test any of those dreams to learn which one, some, all, or none of them are correct, because the basis for each of those beliefs is exactly the same.

No, I don't, and I never said I did. But acknowledging any god is different than acknowledging no god. Would you say a Christian is more similar to a pagan, believing in Thor et al., or to an atheist, believing in no god?

that's the real clincher. atheists and theists simply don't think alike. atheists claim we are hypocrites, because they assume that we reject things based on the same data they utilize. we reject things based on other information. i reject the understanding of most gods (including most christian versions of god) because i don't think it qualifies as what my god is or ought to be. this is not the same as saying "omg it's so stupid to think that zeus turned into a swan and fucked that lady and she laid an egg." i mean. it sounds crazy, but divine insemination is divine insemination. i am a henotheist. i accept that there may be other gods, but i only like mine. maybe you're just really asking about imagined monotheists though, so i probably have nothing to do with this topic anyways.

Ahh, but they don't acknowledge "any" God. In fact, they have a historically gone around killing those who to acknowledge any God other than theirs.The question is not "do Christians acknowledge that there is divine power by any name?", the question is "why do Christians insist that given then exact same data, their conclusion is absolutely right and all other conclusions deserve death."

I'm sorry but in addition to being silly, that statement is demonstrably false.Once again you are making the same mistake as the Christian Cult of Ignorance, and ascribing to all Christians that really refers to only some Christians.The problem I see with your concept presented in this thread is that it is so close to being something worth discussing, yet you seem to insist in classic fundie fashion on constantly bringing it back to irrelevancies and false premises.The question "Why do some people hold concept of 'God' as something exclusive to them?" might well turn into an interesting topic though.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Nor did Einstein. Ahah! See what I done there? I reversed it on you/(and your objection would rightly be that he wasn't superstitious - thereby proving your reasoning is iffy.)You're naming group x whom are clearly B (deluded).That doesn't make mike B, Shraff. it just means that group x are clearly B.You COULD argue that SOME believers were clearly nuts - but that doesn't tell us much about ALL or FEW, of others of the set "believers". Ahh...but they're not the same. That's the thing - life is complex, and even more complicate than can be imagined. So that even one life is a unique trajectory, un-repeatable.Because you you cannot establish the truth-value of many claims, doesn't mean their truth value is the same. This is where you go wrong - you assign anything unknown as the "same". But they're only the same in REGARDS to confirmation/falsification.You're narrow thinking is that you must establish a conclusion or any proposal is false. This is the atheist-subjective side of you Shraff.You still haven't proved belief in God is superstition.Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

Jar,Just because you see invisible text doesn't mean it's there. You keep jumping down my throat for the use of the word "all" but if you turn off your magic glasses, you'll notice that I never typed that word.

You keep typing Christians and as a matter of fact, DID type the word all as the qualifier for your assertions. Please look at the thread title.When you use ALL in the title of the thread, the presumption is that is actually what you mean.I can only respond to what is there. If you do not mean all Christians when you use the term Christians, then please add some other qualifier such as "some" or "a few" or even "many".If you will read some of my threads here you will find that should you actually use such qualifiers, we might even have an area of agreement.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I would argue that def. 1 fits the criteria, though I can already hear the counter arguement of "but I do have knowledge".So lets look at def 2. Check
Def 3? Check
Def 4? Check - If you covet your neighbor's wife, you can expect to spend eternity in damnation
Def 5? Double check.So, I'd say that's 5 for 5, you might say 4.5 of 5. Either way, religion is superstition

Jar,What's the point of the forums?Yes, if some wrote this -
"Some people believe some things but some other people might disagree with some of the things that some people believe"There would be consensus.I'm sure some people can agree with some of that

You're very far from logical proof. You've got some learning to do yet. If anything, this proves my point. Superstition is based on events that coincide, correlate, or have no genuine causal link, such as a circumstance. my prayers could be considered superstitious, but only in a very cordial way - because I don't claim anything conclusive.Example; "I step on a crack in the pavement and it rained".Belief in God, of itself, is just a conviction. It is not strictly irrational necessarily, depending on your belief in God.Thus you provide a great example of equivocation when you mention eternity in damnation - for what has that got to do with belief in God.I am not talking about Christianity, or Judaism, but the conviction itself.

I believe that the question is directed at everyone in the forum and keep in mind that we are all individuals.I don't consider any gods except the one I worship. Some people don't consider any opinions except their own. We could well ask why all atheists are theists and proclaim that by preferring their own opinions and beliefs over what everyone else says, they are believers in themselves. I guess my point is that this question has to be answered individually.One of these days I will share a Belief Statement with the forum if I can ever make one.

Finish reading my entire post. Refuting the 1 point that I predict you refuting, doesn't exactly work in your favor

This would be a great question, if Atheists were constantly praying. The problem is, they aren't.

Depends on how you define "praying".

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