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AlphaOmegakid Member (Idle past 2875 days) Posts: 564 From: The city of God Joined: |
bluescat writes: No it isn't, it would be faith based only if the finding was declared positive proof of in which there could be any possible otherwise account of thus is nonfalsifiable therefore would not be science and therefore faith based. I'm not trying to be mean, but I cannot make any sense of this sentence. Could you restate it while being grammatically correct. -AlphaOmegakid- I am a child of the creator of the beginning and the end
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4189 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Try it now, AlphaOmegakid
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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dunsapy Member (Idle past 5650 days) Posts: 76 Joined: |
quote:from the bibles point of view the earth and universe can be of any age. The bible itself does not give a limitation. I have no problem with science and it's dating. ( except that when their readings maybe effected, by other influences, like radiation , darkness, underwater, of pressure.) Other wise they maybe OK. Enough to know my way around. But I do use my own meanings, for words. When I say evolution I mean the start of a single cell to what we see today. Abiogenesis is the start to life including spontaneous life, because at one point non life has to come to life,. Which to the laws of nature are impossible. The bible uses the word kinds , of life. we are not told in the bible exactly how far kinds goes. Science uses the words species, but science does not agree exactly where the lines of species are. I have heard that science does not prove anything. Which makes it impotent. True science and the bible get along just fine. |
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AlphaOmegakid Member (Idle past 2875 days) Posts: 564 From: The city of God Joined: |
bluescat writes: No it isn't.It would be faith based only if the finding was declared positive proof of, in which there could be no possible otherwise account of, thus nonfalsifiable. Therefore it would not be science and would be faith based. That is why science relies on theories not proof. I still am having difficulty understanding what you are saying. your statement...
It would be faith based only if the finding was declared positive proof of This part is obviously false if it is the basis of your argument. Faith based things are never proven. Faith is a belief in something that is unseen or unproven. Faith based concepts can be falsifiable, so I don't know what you mean by this either. If I hypothesize a young earth based on the Bible, that is faith based. It is also falsifiable. It is falsifiable because there is an observable earth, and there are scientific methods of measuring its age. God-caused-things are unfalsifiable by definition. A belief in God is not the only faith based thing. I would argue that all of the current hypotheses within abiogenesis are unfalsifiable. The hypotheses are not founded on phenomena, they are founded on philosophy. There is no observable repeatable phenomenon to work with to produce a falsification. You can't falsify a rationalization based on a philosophical approach. How can I falsify the self organization of a protocell or a population of evolving protocells when such phenomena don't exist, and and never have been observed?? Even the environment that would make these protocells possible is not known. This is why this stuff should not be taught.
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dunsapy Member (Idle past 5650 days) Posts: 76 Joined: |
quote:That is what you call blind faith. If science can't prove anything then there understanding is blind faith. In creation, design is the proof. It is not blind faith.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
If science can't prove anything Science never claims to 'prove' anything.
In creation, design is the proof. It is not blind faith. It isn't blind faith, it is a psychosis.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3643 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
In creation, design is the proof. I'm sorry, what design?
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
There are a number of threads regarding design. Perhaps you should all take that subtopic there.
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dunsapy Member (Idle past 5650 days) Posts: 76 Joined: |
quote:I started a new topic, I call it the Dunsapy Theory. I want people here to try to rip it to shreds. it's here. http://EvC Forum: Dunsapy Theory -->EvC Forum: Dunsapy Theory a couple of questions on the forum format, can I select text an make it a quote with one click, or do I have to type the command [quote] around the text. The same with bolding? The other question is The new topic I started looks to me like in a protected place, does it get out to the regular board later, or what happens. Edited by dunsapy, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Welcome to the fray, dunsapy.
a couple of questions on the forum format, can I select text an make it a quote with one click, or do I have to type the command [quote] around the text. The same with bolding? You have to do it manually (as yet, the program keeps evolving). type [qs]quotes are easy[/qs] and it becomes:
quotes are easy or type [quote]quotes are easy[/quote] and it becomes:
quote: also check out (help) links on any formating questions when in the reply window. For other formating tips see Posting Tips type: [url=http://insert_your_url_here]this message is linked to an url[/url]and it becomes: this message is linked to an url (one with even more posting tips). Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I started a new topic, I call it the Dunsapy Theory. I want people here to try to rip it to shreds. If I put two rabbits on a table and they mate, does that mean that I designed the offspring? Does it mean the purpose I was created for was putting rabbits on tables? http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/toc.htm Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4189 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Faith is a belief in something that is unseen or unproven. That is the point if one states that a scientific theory is proven, then it is on faith since all theories are falsifiable
I would argue that all of the current hypotheses within abiogenesis are unfalsifiable. Why? If would be falsifiable if one could find evidence that under no conditions of the possibilities of a primal atmosphere which the substances such as purines, pyrimidines, amino acids, pentose sugars, etc could be be formed. Edited by bluescat48, : wrong quote There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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dunsapy Member (Idle past 5650 days) Posts: 76 Joined: |
thanks RAZD
that helped. |
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dunsapy Member (Idle past 5650 days) Posts: 76 Joined: |
If I put two rabbits on a table and they mate, does that mean that I designed the offspring? Does it mean the purpose I was created for was putting rabbits on tables?
The rabbits are life, life comes from life. This is a natural law.
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dunsapy Member (Idle past 5650 days) Posts: 76 Joined: |
Faith is a belief in something that is unseen or unproven.
That is blind faith,.Real faith is the assured expectation, of something. You cann't see wind but you can see the results of wind. You have faith there is wind.
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