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Agobot
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Message 46 of 54 (484541)
09-29-2008 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by cavediver
09-29-2008 10:30 AM


Re: What the fuck is this?
cavediver writes:
Yep, that's pretty much it. Except I say "Wow, that's amazing!" How we respond to major paradigm shifts says far more about our own particular state of mind at that time, than anything really about the paradigm shift itself. In a week, month or year, you'll be in another stae of mind and will be delighted by these revelations. Just wait and see. As long as ice cream still tastes as good, sex feels as good, and mountains, caves, and the night sky still look as good, then no harm done...
But wait, this is by FAR the biggest revolution Mankind has ever gone through. Nothing ever can compare to this. Why isn't the whole fucking world talking about this? Because it's disgusting? Because it's disturbing? Because the people who know this are afraid to break the news?
Sorry guys, this will make a profound dent in the lives of most of you, but I felt you have to know the truth. This is what brought Einstein's certainty when he talked about there being some kind of God(Mind). This will change this forum forever but at least we have a new direction to focus our attention.
This is a small description of the last 30 years of Einstein's life:
"What was it that drove him into virtual solitude, to the point in which he was essentially excommunicated from a physics community of which he was such an influential and revered leader at one time?
Many historians have said that Einstein lost his sense of direction, his uncanny instincts that once guided him so precisely. Yet he never wavered in his beliefs, in his deep sense of destiny that continued to guide him to the very end of his life. Fifty-one years later there are still many unanswered questions, and no real answers have yet evolved."
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Message 47 of 54 (484549)
09-29-2008 11:52 AM
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09-29-2008 11:00 AM


Odd you feel this way...
Regarding characterizations such as disgusting and disturbing, I can't really say I undertand your feelings. Were you similarly disoriented when you discovered that newspaper photographs are actually composed of many tiny dots, or that people are actually made up of many tiny cells, or that matter is made up of many tiny atoms? The underlying quantum reality does not affect the reality of the macro world of daily experience, it is merely the lowest level we've found so far of that which underlies reality, just as at one time atoms were the lowest level.
--Percy

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Agobot
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Message 48 of 54 (484553)
09-29-2008 12:41 PM
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09-29-2008 11:52 AM


Re: Odd you feel this way...
Percy writes:
Regarding characterizations such as disgusting and disturbing, I can't really say I undertand your feelings. Were you similarly disoriented when you discovered that newspaper photographs are actually composed of many tiny dots, or that people are actually made up of many tiny cells, or that matter is made up of many tiny atoms? The underlying quantum reality does not affect the reality of the macro world of daily experience, it is merely the lowest level we've found so far of that which underlies reality, just as at one time atoms were the lowest level.
--Percy
You wanted to attract attention and you did in a very cheap way. Is there anything else you want to do in this thread?

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Message 49 of 54 (484559)
09-29-2008 1:19 PM
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09-29-2008 12:41 PM


Wasted Post
You wasted a post without contributing to the discussion. Please do not continue to do that.

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Agobot
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Message 50 of 54 (484570)
09-29-2008 3:28 PM


"World"
So whose "world" is this? Anybody care to guess? If Einstein couldn't pull us out of the darkness, who could? I look at my wife and I know she's not really there, my kid is screaming and she's also not there, it's an illusion - there is no physical entity there, just a realistic illusion that my mind creates. I "live" in this "world" but very often lately i just break down, it ruins my sleep. Why should i trust my mind about what's real, when experience and science prove my mind is totally wrong? And having illusions in medicine equals "mentally deranged".
What does the word "mentally deranged" mean? Someone who does not share your illusion? Someone who nature could not give the same common illusion? Or the production assembly made a glitch in his brain?
What do drugs do to our perception of reality? Has anyone tried any drugs? Hard drugs that could alter your perception of "reality" completely. Like seeing dragons and people attacking you? Was it as real as our everyday life illusion(I think i know someone i could ask but it will take me a few days)?
I think there are a lot of answers "hidden" in the mentally deranged persons. I never really took interest in them, but now i want to spend some time exploring their "world" and this will probably be what i'll be spending my time on in the next years.
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Message 51 of 54 (484580)
09-29-2008 5:24 PM
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09-29-2008 3:28 PM


Agobot 24 hours
24 hours off to consider topics and rationally discuss them.

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onifre
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Message 52 of 54 (484587)
09-29-2008 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Agobot
09-29-2008 3:28 PM


Re: "World"
Abogot writes:
What does the word "mentally deranged" mean? Someone who does not share your illusion? Someone who nature could not give the same common illusion? Or the production assembly made a glitch in his brain?
I recommend reading anything from Vilayanur Ramachandrans. He works in the field's of Neuroscience and Psychology.
What do drugs do to our perception of reality? Has anyone tried any drugs? Hard drugs that could alter your perception of "reality" completely. Like seeing dragons and people attacking you? Was it as real as our everyday life illusion
Research the effects of the drug DMT(Dimethyltryptamine ), you wanna talk about mind altering...
Here's an interview with an American comedian named Joe Rogan about the effects of DMT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5S9mrE8Xg&feature=related
Enjoy,
--Oni
Moderator: Sorry for off topic reply.

"All great truths begin as blasphemies"
"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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Agobot
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Message 53 of 54 (484669)
09-30-2008 6:24 PM


What is matter?
I thought we reached a point where we needed help from the most credible sources, so I sent emails this morning to Prof.Steven Hawking, Dr.Michio Kaku and Prof.Lisa Randall of Harvard University. Besides the obvious relevant questions about matter and reality(which happens to be the topic of this thread), I inserted links to the discussion in hope that maybe we could stir up some kind of discussion if any of the 3 responds. I'll keep you posted.

  
OilIsMastery
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Message 54 of 54 (490340)
12-03-2008 9:47 PM


Matter is electromagnetic energy, mostly plasma, and yes it exists, but our minds project time, space, and mathematics onto the actual physical material reality.

  
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