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purpledawn
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Message 106 of 392 (512720)
06-20-2009 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Peg
06-19-2009 10:00 PM


Re: Laws Again
quote:
and Jesus lived and taught Gods standards and his followers were taught to imitate him...this does not mean that he taught anything contrary to the law of moses because that law was Gods standards.
Round and round we go. So Christian should be following all of the Mosaic Laws because they are God's standards. Christians aren't following or trying to follow all of the Mosaic Laws.
quote:
But that Mosaic law required punishment and sacrifice for sins. The mosaic law was a Package. If you were following it, you had to also apply its judicial prescriptions for sin. Many of which were death.
All laws of a society require some sort of consequence, otherwise it is useless as a law. If one lived in Israel, one had to follow the laws of the nation. Just as if one lives in the US, one has to follow the laws of the US. You are comparing national laws with personal behavior suggestions.
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So this meant that if you committed a grave sin, you were to be put to death, there were no second chances under that law.
Why would anyone give a second chance for a grave offense? Not many countries would give second chances for grave sins. I don't think death penalties were uncommon in those eras, so what is the issue? They were laws for that time. Jesus didn't undo the national laws, he didn't have the power.
quote:
Under the Law of Christ, forgiveness could take place and a person could have mulitple opportunities to repent and be forgiven for their sins. It was the same high standard of morality handed down from God, but in a different package.
Again, you comparing apples and oranges. People were still liable under the national laws and would still suffer the consequences or death if the action warranted it.
Jesus taught people how to behave within the national laws and religious laws of his time. Where did Jesus, not Paul, show that when someone intentionally commits murder, that they have a second chance?
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because there are christian laws and there are consequences for christians who do not abide by them.
No they don't. What are the laws and the consequences? That is the point of this thread. Put them out there already.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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Peg
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Message 107 of 392 (512722)
06-20-2009 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by purpledawn
06-20-2009 8:15 AM


Re: Worship
qurpledawn writes:
Stop and think before you write. The Way was a sect of Judaism, even according to Paul by the author of Acts
Acts 24:14-15
However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which thee call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
I suggest you research the history of Christianity.
The Essene's were a sect of Judaism, as were the Pharasees and the Saducees...all of them remained a part of Judaism so they can rightly be called a sect.
But Christianity was not considered a sect by the Jewish religious leaders. In fact, Paul was on trial in that scripture you quote for teaching something 'contrary' to Judaism. Look at the context of the passage. Paul is giving a defense at one of his trials. Of what was he being accused? Of being a sect or of teaching something that contradicted the Jewish laws?
quote:
Acts 21:27 'they laid their hands upon him, 28crying out: "Men of Israel, help! This is the man that teaches everybody everywhere against the people and the Law and this place and, what is more, he even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place"
If Paul remained a part of Judaism, why did he write that all meats are acceptable for eating, and gentiles are also acceptable to God?
purpledawn writes:
Wrong. The Jewish followers of Jesus did not leave Judaism. James, the brother of Jesus or James the Just, was allowed into the Holy of Holies.
In describing James' ascetic lifestyle, Jerome, De Viris Illustribus, quotes Hegesippus' account of James from the fifth book of Hegesippus' lost Commentaries:
this is a very dubious piece of information. Jerome's writings were of the late 3rd century and Hegesippus (???) who knows!
'This one was holy from his mother's womb.' This wasnt written by the apostles or any inspired writer. Mary had only one 'holy' child and that was Jesus. There is a reason why not all christian writings made it into the canon.
purpledawn writes:
Again you show your ignorance of reality. Do some research. The Oral Torah also came from God to Moses. You should appreciate that. The Talmud is not anymore made up than any other set of laws.
I dont mean to contradict you, but the Law of Moses was complete long before the Talmud was written down. Moses was told to WRITE down all the laws God gave him, which he did. The 'ORAL' law which was promoted by the sect of the Pharasees during the first centuryCE, was strongly opposed by the Sadducees and other Jews. It only became accepted after the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70CE.
purpledawn writes:
Already did that in Message 89 that you're responding to. Do you look at the links provided! Here's a link to the Babylonian Talmud, knock yourself out.
i hope you are kidding.
You claim that the christians followed the 'Oral law' I asked for evidence of them following the oral law and give me the babylonian talmud!

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Peg
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Message 108 of 392 (512724)
06-20-2009 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by purpledawn
06-20-2009 8:58 AM


Re: Laws Again
purpledawn writes:
Christians aren't following or trying to follow all of the Mosaic Laws.
exactly...they know what Jesus and the apostles taught and therefore know they are not required to follow the mosaic law.
anyway, this has been a lovely whirlwind discussion and I think its been done to death as i'm sure you'd agree.

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Peg
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Message 109 of 392 (512725)
06-20-2009 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by purpledawn
06-20-2009 8:35 AM


Re: Love Your Neighbor - A Law?
im sorry, i missed this one so this will be my lucky last.
purpledawn writes:
No I've been asking you to provide a list of Christian Laws which should encompass what God requires. Unfortunately you've already shown that Christian Laws don't really exist because there are no consequences for not following them. So no laws, just principles or standards of behavior.
I showed you many laws but you dont seem able to grasp them as laws in the broad sense that the greek word carries.
You dont believe there are consequences because cannot see that the laws are designed to bring one into an approved standing before God. When you loose that approved standing, you are no longer apart of the christian congregation and loose your relationship with God...thats tough love.
purpledawn writes:
Personally, I don't think you have any idea what God requires. If you think you do, then go ahead in this thread, there is plenty of room and it falls under the heading as much as anything else you've thrown out, unless of course this is more of your own mythology.
well your probably right
I'll have to keep working at it I guess.

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Bailey
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Message 110 of 392 (512727)
06-20-2009 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Peg
06-17-2009 6:14 AM


On the Law of Preachers, Rabbis and magical blood revenge ...
Thank you for the exchange Peg.
Hope things are well with you.
Peg writes:
weary writes:
Disciples are not preachers.
if you look closely at the words Jesus gave namely, "...make disciples of people of all the nations, teaching them to observe all the things that I commanded YOU..."
Teach them to observe. Nice. lol - if you don't mind, may I call you Surely?
Perhaps one may wonder how come it seems so few laying claim to the magical properties of innocent blood take time to observe the Torah (Law), the Nevi'im (Prophets) and the Tehellim (Psalms) in their fullness? At least, considering, those are the items a disciple of HaMashiach is admonished to observe.
The doctrine of the Prophets has challenged many traditions through our halls of time. Perhaps we will all have a chance to explain how one may come to assume that the final RCC testament texts, authentic as some may be, were equivalent, and 'indeed' superceded in wisdom, to the Law and the Prophets.
Surley, one can hope ...

quote:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

quote:
In everything do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets.
quote:
Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?
He said to him ...
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the greatest and first commandment.
And a second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
On these two commandments hang all the
law and the prophets.
quote:
The law and the prophets were in effect until Yochan came; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is proclaimed, and everyone tries to enter it by force.
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one stroke of a letter in the law to be dropped.

quote:
Then he said to them ...
These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you - that everything written about me in the law of Moses', the prophets, and the psalms must be fulfilled.
Now if the apostles had to teach people all that Christ taught them, this must surely include the work of preaching and teaching.
The modern term 'preaching' appears ill equiped to denote the duties assigned to an anointed disciple of HaMashiach. As can be easily confirmed, wannabe disciples must first request, and rather matter of factly demand, that no practitioners of the tradition may refer to an anointed disciple as a Pastor or Rabbi. Seems though, as of yet, many ego's are far too chilled to remove that outer garment, and so, all of the jesters don their King's robe to stay warm.
No worries though ... they are bound, though perhaps undetermined, to warm up sooner or later.
Jesus himself sent out many disciples preaching, so why do you say that disciples were not to be preachers???
lol - He sent them preaching? Perhaps, more to the point, HaMashiach sent them beseeching.
It seems as though their primary charge was to, in the face of death and ridicule, encourage and indoctrinate - free of charge - those who had come to believe, at times through (documented) forgery, others through bitterness and resentment and still others by way of naivety, that blood revenge was acceptable to the Father. They were certainly busy beavers. After all, magical blood revenge techniques were, perhaps, some of the most prevalent forms of atonement provided for within the landscapes of indigenous earthly traditions, as well as the cause of much destruction.
It appears that many cultures indeed paid heed to the serpent whispers from below, encouraging them to abuse innocent Life.
The economical implications and incentives to keep up this charade are, though seemingly unfortunate, still quite a magnificent piece of machinery nonetheless. More to the point, the dynamics of supply and demand do not lend favor to a remission of sin through teshuva and emunah, and perhaps a lil' water baptism, which were effectual well before the Father's slave was murdered. In the end of the matter, anointed disciples do not appear to have 'preached' or promoted magical blood revenge, as chances are, they did not want to take food from the mouths of biblical babes ...
After all, they were supposed to feed the hungry ... not starve and rob 'em.
One Love
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Bailey
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Message 111 of 392 (512728)
06-20-2009 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Peg
06-20-2009 9:35 AM


the Law of inspiration
Hope all is well ...
honesty writes:
I'll have to keep working at it I guess.
... that makes all of us.
btw, this is the most inspiring post I've read all week.
Thank you.
One Love
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purpledawn
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Message 112 of 392 (512753)
06-20-2009 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Peg
06-20-2009 9:20 AM


Re: Worship
quote:
The Essene's were a sect of Judaism, as were the Pharasees and the Saducees...all of them remained a part of Judaism so they can rightly be called a sect.
But Christianity was not considered a sect by the Jewish religious leaders. In fact, Paul was on trial in that scripture you quote for teaching something 'contrary' to Judaism. Look at the context of the passage. Paul is giving a defense at one of his trials. Of what was he being accused? Of being a sect or of teaching something that contradicted the Jewish laws?
Exactly and he said he wasn't, so what is your point? The Way was a sect of Judaism until after the destruction of the Temple. As I said, research your Christian history if you don't believe Paul.
quote:
If Paul remained a part of Judaism, why did he write that all meats are acceptable for eating, and gentiles are also acceptable to God?
Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. This thread isn't about explaining Paul. Read Paul's authentic letters as a whole and not as one-liners.
quote:
I dont mean to contradict you, but the Law of Moses was complete long before the Talmud was written down. Moses was told to WRITE down all the laws God gave him, which he did. The 'ORAL' law which was promoted by the sect of the Pharasees during the first century CE, was strongly opposed by the Sadducees and other Jews. It only became accepted after the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70CE.
Amazing that you accept Jewish tradition that Moses wrote the first five books, but you don't accept the Jewish tradition that says the Oral Torah was given to Moses by God at the same time. The Oral Torah is supposedly the explanation of the Written Torah. The Oral Torah was not to be written down. The Jews decided to write it down before the info got lost. If all the people who carried the info got killed, the information would be gone. The Talmud contains that information and more. So it was wise to write it down. Don't you understand how legal systems work?
Now reality, according to a book by Paul Johnson, a Christian, entitled "A History of the Jews" the Oral Torah had its beginning around the end of the 2nd century bce. Whatever internal battles waged within the Jewish religion, the Oral Torah was there.
quote:
You claim that the christians followed the 'Oral law' I asked for evidence of them following the oral law and give me the babylonian talmud!
And I provided links in Message 89.
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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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jaywill
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Message 113 of 392 (512767)
06-20-2009 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by purpledawn
06-20-2009 8:35 AM


Re: Love Your Neighbor - A Law?
Purpledawn writes:
No I've been asking you to provide a list of Christian Laws which should encompass what God requires. Unfortunately you've already shown that Christian Laws don't really exist because there are no consequences for not following them. So no laws, just principles or standards of behavior.
There are consequences for not being conformed to the image of Christ. The consequences are very wide in scope. They extend from being "hurt by the second death" to losing a reward.
The consequences cover a wide range of possibities of temporary discipline, not only in this age but also in the age after the second coming of Christ.
Otherwise, for example, the Apostle Paul would not speak to the Corinthian church about suffering loss though being saved:
"If anyone's work which he has built upon [the foundation] remains, he will receive a reward; If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Cor. 3:14,15)
" SAVED .... yet so as through FIRE."
No consequences to Christians to not living by Him and being made mature ? There are many passages which prove otherwise is taught.
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purpledawn
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Message 114 of 392 (512776)
06-20-2009 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Peg
06-20-2009 9:35 AM


Re: Love Your Neighbor - A Law?
quote:
I showed you many laws but you dont seem able to grasp them as laws in the broad sense that the greek word carries.
I didn't ask for a broad Greek sense. I asked for laws and gave a very specific meaning. What you presented does not fit into that form except for the Mosaic/Jewish Laws.
quote:
You dont believe there are consequences because cannot see that the laws are designed to bring one into an approved standing before God. When you loose that approved standing, you are no longer apart of the christian congregation and loose your relationship with God...thats tough love.
You said there weren't any consequences in Message 84.
Peg writes:
It could be the way im explaining it or perhaps you just dont get it. The mosaic law embodied Gods standards but more then that it prescribed punishment for failing to live by those standards. The purpose of it was to show mankind its need for a savior. When that savior came, the purpose of the mosaic law was realized hence the new arrangement for approach to God could be thru that savior.
This didnt mean that Gods standard had changed, it just meant that no longer did the punishments of the mosaic law have to be administered to wrongdoers. For the jews to get forgiveness, they needed to offer a blood sacrifice...if they were caught committing a grave sin, then they could be killed for their wrongdoing.
Whereas the christian church had the Savior Jesus Christ as an approach to God and as the basis for forgiveness of their sins.
However, the christians still had to abide by all that Jesus taught...it did not make them a law unto themselves. They still needed to try to live by Gods standards.
The purpose you presented for the Mosaic laws is not from Jesus. The purpose of the Mosaic/Jewish Laws are the same purpose as any other legal system for a nation, to maintain order within a society. No more, no less.
The Jews could receive forgiveness without sacrifices. You've been shown this before.
Like Hillel before him, Jesus brought a more humane and universal notion of Torah interpretation. The spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law. If one gets the spirit right, the details will take care of themselves.
We look at what the authors are trying to tell their audience and bring that spirit forward when obeying the laws of our own individual nations all the way down to our communities and families.
There are no Christian laws, there are only Christian principles derived from the spirit of the ancient writings and the experiences of people who have gone before.
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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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jaywill
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Message 115 of 392 (512781)
06-20-2009 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Peg
06-12-2009 10:04 AM


The law of the Christ is repeatedly associated with freedom. The apostles referred to it as "the law of a free people" and "the perfect law that belongs to freedom." (John 8:31, 32 & James 1:25, 2:12)
Peg, I am inclined to think James meant nothing other than the law of Moses in James 1:25, 2:12 .
The new testament church went through a transition from the old judaism law keeping into understanding of living by the grace of Christ. Of all the NT writers James represents the most primitive in this transition.
He boasted to Paul about how many thousands in the church in Jerusalem were keepers of the law. He persuaded Paul to conduct himself as an old testament law keeper. However God did not seem to honor it. It all blew up in Paul's face. He went to prison and there wrote some of his clearest epistles on the new testment grace.
I think James had one foot still in the old covenant Mosiac law keeping. Still in the development of the church he was an important transitional figure.
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purpledawn
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Message 116 of 392 (512807)
06-21-2009 6:34 AM
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06-20-2009 7:35 PM


List the Laws
quote:
There are consequences for not being conformed to the image of Christ. The consequences are very wide in scope. They extend from being "hurt by the second death" to losing a reward.
So list the laws and the consequences.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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Message 117 of 392 (512849)
06-21-2009 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by purpledawn
06-21-2009 6:34 AM


Re: List the Laws
So list the laws and the consequences.
I did not say that there were laws to list. I did say that there were consequences to not obeying and being conformed to the image of Christ.
There are some charges or commands in the New Testament. I am saying that we should not think of them as the 11th, 12th, 13th, ... Nth Commandments meant to be added on to the Ten Commandments.
I already provided a strong verse on the consequence of being "saved yet so as through fire" from First Corinthians. Now I will provide another strong one uttered FOUR times in the Gospels:
"And he who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his soul-life shall lose it, and he who loses his soul-life for My sake shall find it." (Matt. 10:38,39)
"Then Jesus said to His disciples, If anyone wants to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follw Me. For whoeer wants to save his soul-life shall lose it; but whoever loses his soul-life for My sake shall find it. For what shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but forfiets his soul-life? .... For the Son of Man is to come in the glory of His Father with His angels and then He will repay each man according to his doings." (Matt. 16:24-27).
See also Mark 8:35; Luke 9:24; 17:33; John 12:25)
These passages are spoken to His disciples. Jesus comes to transform the mind, emotion, and will of His disciple. He comes to transform the soul. If the disciples resist this transformation preserving the soul they will one day lose it.
Losing the soul here does not mean losing eternal salvation. But it does mean suffering the loss of the soul's enjoyment. That enjoyment is mainly in the kingdom immediately following Christ's return:
"For the Son of Man is to come in the glory of His Father with His angels and then He will repay each man according to his doings."
The Son of Man will return and repay the disciples according to their works. These works are the works allowing Christ to transform their soul into the image of Christ. They are to take up thier cross and follow Him rather than follow themselves. They are to deny themselves and instead enjoy the living Christ. If they do they will lose their soul-life in this age but they will be transformed and enjoy thier soul in the kingdom age at Christ's return. That will be their reward for allowing Christ to sanctify them.
If they postpone this sanctification and transformation, there is the danger that when Jesus returns they will lose the delight of thier soul and suffer loss as a consquence. Not allowing Christ to conform the disciples to His image can have a temporary negative consequence.
If this is too esoteric I can give you passages which spell it out in no uncertain terms. Like Luke 12:47.
"And the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, and will cut him asunder, and will appoint his portion with the unbelievers.
And that slave who knew his master's will and did not prepare or do according to his his will, will receive many lashes; But he who did not know, yet did things worthy of stripes, will receive few lashes. But to everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required from him; and to whom much has been committed, they will ask of him all the more." (Luke 12:46-48)
Here you can plainly see degrees of punishment upon His servants based on how much they should have known better.
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Rrhain
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Message 118 of 392 (512852)
06-21-2009 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Peg
06-20-2009 9:25 AM


Peg writes:
quote:
they know what Jesus and the apostles taught and therefore know they are not required to follow the mosaic law.
But not one jot, not one tittle of the law shall be changed till all be fulfilled.
Has all been fulfilled? One of the things that was the sign of everything being fulfilled is the end of the world.
Has the world ended?
If not, then you are still bound by Mosaic law as commanded by Jesus.
Why do you think Paul can override Jesus?

Rrhain

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Message 119 of 392 (512856)
06-21-2009 5:37 PM
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06-21-2009 4:16 PM


The Master's Will
Exactly! One must know the master's will. Consequences are given accordingly. So if one does not want stripes, one needs to know what the master's will is.
A fair and just master makes sure his slave clearly understands his will.
So list the Master's will and what is deserving of stripes.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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Message 120 of 392 (512859)
06-21-2009 6:38 PM


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Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 13:5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.
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Preacher: God told him about storms, tsunami
Robertson says warning was for this year; tsunami might hit Northwest
updated 10:30 a.m. CT, Thurs., May 18, 2006
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - In another in a series of notable pronouncements, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson says God told him storms and possibly a tsunami will hit America's coastline this year.
Robertson has made the predictions at least four times in the past two weeks on his news-and-talk television show "The 700 Club" on the Christian Broadcasting Network, which he founded.
Robertson said the revelations about this year's weather came to him during his annual personal prayer retreat in January.
"If I heard the Lord right about 2006, the coasts of America will be lashed by storms," Robertson said May 8. On Wednesday, he added, "There well may be something as bad as a tsunami in the Pacific Northwest."
Um, shouldn't you christians put this dude to death?
Here are a list of other failed prophecies by this very honored christian leader.
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1982: Doomsday
In late 1976, Robertson predicted that the end of the world was coming in November or October 1982. In a May 1980 broadcast of The 700 Club he stated, "I guarantee you by the end of 1982 there is going to be a judgment on the world."[29]
[edit] 2006: Pacific Northwestern tsunami
In May 2006, Robertson declared that storms and possibly a tsunami would hit America's coastline sometime in 2006. Robertson supposedly received this revelation from God during an annual personal prayer retreat in January. The claim was repeated four times on The 700 Club.
On May 8, 2006 Robertson said, "If I heard the Lord right about 2006, the coasts of America will be lashed by storms." On May 17, 2006 he elaborated, "There well may be something as bad as a tsunami in the Pacific Northwest."[30] While this claim didn't garner the same level of controversy as some of his other statements, it was generally received with mild amusement by the Pacific Northwest media. The History Channel's initial airing of its new series, Mega Disasters: West Coast Tsunami, was broadcast the first week of May.
On November 15, 2006, a magnitude 8.3 earthquake struck off Atisov Island in the Kuril Islands in the western Pacific. A tsunami warning was issued but rescinded hours later. However, a 176-centimetre wave from that quake did hit the harbor at Crescent City causing damage to three docks and several boats; an estimated $1.1 million in damage to the docks there.[31] Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a county state of emergency. Upon that declaration, the area affected was eligible for federal emergency relief funding to repair the damage.[32]
In fact, however, not only did a tsunami not affect the United States in 2006, but no hurricanes reached United States soil that year, either, and the 2006 hurricane season was actually far tamer than the extremely active and dangerous 2005 season.[citation needed]
[edit] 2007: Terror attack
On the January 2, 2007 broadcast of The 700 Club, Robertson said that God spoke to him and told him that "mass killings" were to come during 2007, due to a terrorist attack on the United States. He added, "The Lord didn't say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that."[33] When a terrorist attack failed to happen in 2007, Robertson said, in January 2008, "All I can think is that somehow the people of God prayed and God in his mercy spared us."[34]
[edit] 2008: Worldwide violence and American recession
On the January 2, 2008 episode of The 700 Club, Pat Robertson predicted that 2008 would be a year of worldwide violence. He also predicted that a recession would occur in the United States that would be followed by a stock market crash by 2010.[34]
[edit] 2008: Mideast Meltdown
In October 2008 Robertson posted a press release on the Georgian Conflict speculating that the conflict is a Russian ploy to enter the Middle East, and that instability caused by a predicted pre-emptive strike by Israel on Iran would result in Syria and Iran launching nuclear strikes on other targets. He also said that if the United States were to oppose Russia's expansion, nuclear strikes on American soil are also pending. "We will suffer grave economic damage, but will not engage in military action to stop the conflict. However, we may not be spared nuclear strikes against coastal cities. In conclusion, it is my opinion that we have between 75 and 120 days before the Middle East starts spinning out of control." [35]

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Here is something else interesting.
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Business interests
He is the founder and chairman of The Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) Inc., and founder of International Family Entertainment Inc., Regent University, Operation Blessing International Relief and Development Corporation, American Center for Law and Justice, The Flying Hospital, Inc. and several other organizations and broadcast entities. Robertson was the founder and co-chairman of International Family Entertainment Inc. (IFE).
Formed in 1990, IFE produced and distributed family entertainment and information programming worldwide. IFE's principal business was The Family Channel, a satellite delivered cable-television network with 63 million U.S. subscribers. IFE, a publicly held company listed on the New York Stock Exchange, was sold in 1997 to Fox Kids Worldwide, Inc. for $1.9 billion, whereupon it was renamed Fox Family Channel. Disney acquired FFC in 2001 and its name was changed again, to ABC Family.
Robertson is a global businessman with media holdings in Asia, the United Kingdom, and Africa. He struck a deal with Pittsburgh, PA-based General Nutrition Center to produce and market a weight-loss shake he created and promoted on the 700 Club TV show.
In 1999, Robertson entered into a joint venture with the Bank of Scotland to provide financial services in the United States. However, the move was met with criticism in the UK due to Robertson's views on homosexuality. After Robertson commented that Scotland was "a dark land overrun by homosexuals", the Bank of Scotland canceled the venture.[18]
Robertson's extensive business interests have earned him a net worth estimated between $200 million and $1 billion.[19]
A fan of Thoroughbred horse racing, Robertson paid $520,000 for a colt he named Mr. Pat. Trained by John Kimmel, Mr. Pat was not a successful runner. He was nominated for, but did not run in, the 2000 Kentucky Derby. [1] [2]

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