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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
We see cognitive dissonance on a lot of threads, usually with YEC types trying to deal with the evidence of reality.
I see the same process occurring on Two wrongs don't make a right (the (ir)rationality of revenge) - also gun control on the issue of gun control. This is obviously an emotional issue for many people, but I have yet to see a rational reason to have a gun presented. I find it interesting to observe the process of cognitive dissonance in action (again). by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3776 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
I wonder if there is another way I could approach that argument. Am I not clear enough? I almost feel like I'm trying to nail jello to the wall.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
This is obviously an emotional issue for many people, but I have yet to see a rational reason to have a gun presented.
Here's a deal for you. You stick to the cities, where you have police, and hope they arrive in time. I'll stick to the hills where I can have guns for self protection. You mind your business, and I'll mind mine. Deal, eh? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2951 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
You stick to the cities, where you have police, and hope they arrive in time. I'll stick to the hills where I can have guns for self protection. You mind your business, and I'll mind mine.
You, Hannity, OReilly and Limbaugh... Hiding from the liberal left, who wants to take your guns and turn you gay, with the same blue pill. - Oni
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You stick to the cities, where you have police, and hope they arrive in time. I'll stick to the hills where I can have guns for self protection. You mind your business, and I'll mind mine.
You, Hannity, OReilly and Limbaugh... Hiding from the liberal left, who wants to take your guns and turn you gay, with the same blue pill. - Oni For example, what would with a horse that just broke its leg in the wilderness miles from the nearest road? Edited by Coyote, : Grammar. Time to call it a night. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2951 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
For example, what would with a horse that just broke its leg in the wilderness miles from the nearest road? Well, what did horses do before humans had guns? Lets just go back to that. - Oni
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
For example, what would with a horse that just broke its leg in the wilderness miles from the nearest road? Well, what did horses do before humans had guns? Lets just go back to that. Better you just stay in the city and leave the wilderness to those of us who are capable, eh? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Debate the topic there.
Legitimate side comments, but not the debate, here. Whining? Don't do it anywhere. Or something like that. Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Reopen and add "Now reopened" to subtitle. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
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It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Message 150 |
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
At the Pseudoskepticism and logic topic:
RAZD writes: People keep telling me there is objective evidence for atheism, but so far none has been presented. I post this message specifically about that statement. I certainly don't recall anyone ever claiming there is objective evidence for atheism. I don't recall anyone ever claiming there is any sort of evidence for atheism. Has anyone here made such a claim, or know of someone who made such a claim? Moose
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Message 11
Every single time that you assert that atheism equates to "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" you are denying the mass of objective evidence that many atheists, myself included, would cite in favour of the possibility that gods may just be human inventions. It is presented as evidence to justify the atheist belief. Edited by RAZD, : better wording
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
I think you are reading into the statement
It claims there is objective evidence "in favour of the possibility that gods may just be human inventions." It does not say objective evidence saying gods do not exist. I think your conflicts with Straggler or getting in the way of your reasoning. He in no way states that he has objective evidence for the denial of a god, he has objective evidence that there is a strong possibility gods may be a a human invention. Very different. Edited by Theodoric, : better first line Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3941 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Point taken. But I think the quoted statement does come up short of saying "there is objective evidence that God/gods do not exist", which is what I was looking for.
The place to debate this further is back in the source topic. I will review that topic further and decide if I wish to pursue the point further. Others way like to do likewise. Moose
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Point taken. But I think the quoted statement does come up short of saying "there is objective evidence that God/gods do not exist", which is what I was looking for. I, nor anyone else I have seen here, would make that statement.
The place to debate this further is back in the source topic. I will review that topic further and decide if I wish to pursue the point further. Others way like to do likewise. There is no objective evidence in favour of any given god. There is objective evidence in favour of the mutually exclusive possibility that any given god concept is a human invention. Unless RAZD is actually denying that there is objective evidence in favour of the possibility that any given god concept could be a human invention then I don't understand what his point is. I have asked him this question but he won't answer it. Message 91
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi moose
But I think the quoted statement does come up short of saying "there is objective evidence that God/gods do not exist", which is what I was looking for. Not that what I said was (from your quote):
People keep telling me there is objective evidence for atheism, but so far none has been presented. Message 104quote: This meets my standard. Hope that clears it up. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4032 Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Point taken. But I think the quoted statement does come up short of saying "there is objective evidence that God/gods do not exist", which is what I was looking for. The place to debate this further is back in the source topic. I will review that topic further and decide if I wish to pursue the point further. Others way like to do likewise. Moose Doesn't have to be. All it has to be is a plausible explanation for the observed phenomenon. Parsimony takes care of the rest. Just like with the origin of life. If abiogenesis is proven to be a plausible mechanism for the rise of life from non-life, parsimony dictates that we should prefer that explanation rather than extra-Universal aliens, god(s), or the Matrix.
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