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As I sated, all I did was offer an entirely reasonable idea of what Joshua meant. I did not use quote marks, and the words that YOU attributed to Joshua were clearly distinguished form the rest.

You are falsely accusing me of twisting Joshua's words.

Be truly honest - you just don't like the idea that Joshua meant the 24th April, because that makes the prophecy a failure. That is the ONLY reason for your accusation.

And anybody with eyes could see that I used bolding to distinguish MY word from Joshua's. Thus your accusation is false.

Only if you assume in advance that the "prophecy" is likely genuine. However to do so, begs the question. Since I am taking an honest, unbiased look at the evidence I cannot make that assumption.

Exactly as either of us knows, not as TB Joshua knows, since he uses the same phrase elsewhere only replacing "month" with "week" So the phrase is most likely deliberate, and not a mistake.

That is not a rational argument. It is just speculation.

It is just speculation.

That is obviously wrong. Just because I can make an entirely plausible suggestion as to what Joshua likely meant does not give you license to put up any change you like as if it were equally plausible. If you can offer evidence - real evidence that does not rely on begging the question, that Joshua DID mean 22nd May, now would be a good time to do it.

The idea that the phrase is complete - when you have absolutely no evidence of that is implausible. The idea that Joshua meant to give a specific date rather than something like "last" or "fourth" is implausible.

Because missing one word out is very easy. Missing out the whole date is more difficult.

Again you make a compeltely false accusation.

This is what we get from a blunt unbiased look at the evidence, and lo and behold not long after this prophecy is made a plane meeting that description, not some jumbo jet, or airliner, crashes on the day stated in the prophecy, not on some Wednesday or Tuesday, a family meeting the description given in the prophecy are involved in the crash, not a gay couple, or childless couple.

"PLANE CRASHES 17-28TH"On Sunday, 11th January 2009, Prophet T.B. Joshua gave a prophetic warning concerning events that were to happen in the coming days within the same month of January. Here is the prophecy:Those who are flying, please take Psalm 91. If you are going to fly: 17, 27, 28, in between 17, 27, 28. Write it down. Please, Psalm 91 and be in the Spirit because by the time you are in the Spirit and this Psalm, you observe it, there will be [a] mark in you. Even when you are about to be checked in, something will happen that you will not be able to go — if it is going to take your life. It’s either you miss your flight; it’s either something happens. 17, 27, 28. From that 17 — the whole thing from 17 to the end of the month. Please, in the air, take note and fast and pray. Use Psalm 91, verse 7, 8, 9. Take note of verse 7. ‘A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you make the Most High your dwelling even the LORD, who is my refuge.’ In confirmation, the events foretold by Prophet T.B. Joshua began unfolding six days later, on Saturday, 17th January 2009, a military helicopter crashed in the African nation of Gabon, killing at least seven of the 10 soldiers onboard.A final soldier remains missing. Searches are continuing," the French presidency said in a statement, adding the two survivors were out of danger.There was no immediate information on the cause of the crash, but French President Nicolas Sarkozy has ordered a speedy inquiry, the presidency said.Just as the man of God, Prophet T.B. Joshua prophesied, this event occurred on the 17th of January, the first date specified in the prophecy.Ten days later, the prophetic message was further confirmed as a FedEx cargo plane crashed in Lubbock, Texas, on the 27th of January 2009, the second date specified in the prophetic message delivered by Prophet T.B. Joshua. Officials say the plane came down at the end of the runway, veered off and caught fire. Both crew members survived and walked away from the plane. They were then taken to hospital for examination.
Further confirmation came on Wednesday the 28th of January 2009, the final date mentioned by the man of God, Prophet T.B. Joshua in his prophetic message, when a red, single-engine Marchetti airplane carrying two men crashed at the west end of the runway in Santa Monica Airport, California, USA at about 5 pm local time. The plane crashed on the west end of the runway and caught fire, said Ian Gregor of the Federal Aviation Administration. The fire destroyed most of the plane. Friends of the two men identified them as the general manager of an aviation website and a world-travelling Internet business development consultant. Paulo Emanuele, believed to be 46, was the general manager of the airliners.net website. Martin Schaedel, believed to be about 23, was a consultant to FareCompare, an airline fare comparison website.
The confirmation continued through to the end of the month of January 2009 when a succession of three plane crashes occurred in the USA and Colombia. The first of these consecutive incidents took place on Thursday 29th January 2008, at about 3pm local time, when a small plane crashed in an open pasture near Anahuac, about 30 miles east of Houston, Texas, USA, killing all three people onboard.
Another plane crash that caught the world’s attention occurred on Thursday 29th 2009 — when a plane coming into land in Colombia completely flipped upside down when a strong gust of wind caught the back end. The passengers of a light aircraft which flipped on landing walked away with barely a scratch.
The next day on Friday 30th January 2009 at 1pm, a twin-engine plane crashed near Tri-State Airport, Kenova, West Virginia shortly after the pilot radioed that the aircraft was low on fuel. Three people were killed.
These three aviation crashes which took place on the last days on January 2009 confirm the words of prophecy given by Prophet TB Joshua who instructed the congregation and viewers to be in an attitude of prayer and fasting right to the end of the month of January.

In other words, your only reason for rejecting it is that it makes the prophecy a failure. That's just begging the question again.

According to you he only uses a SIMILAR phrase elsewhere. And you haven't given ANY reason to connect that to your conclusion. THAT is why it is not a rational argument.

Again I am not simply offering speculation beased on what I owuld like to be the case. All I offered was a reasonable possiblity - better than any of the alternatives you have offered.. And your summary ignores - yet again - the other lines of evidence, which you have not yet answered.

"Friday of the month" could mean the "22th Friday of the May month"

That would be an unusal phrase in English,

He specifically asked for prayers to be said on the 24th April, and on no other FridayOn the 19th he issued a warning against traveling, but on no later day. (And if he had specifically meant the 22nd May he should have repeated the warning on the previous Sunday ! - the 17th May)The "Friday of the Month" plausibly means the 24th April - and does NOT plausibly mean 22nd May, as a specific date.While the reference on the 19th referred to it as a future event, the repeat on the 26th exclusively uses the past tense.

"Friday of the Month" is not your typical way of speaking, but you must not overlook the fact that this man is not a Englishman, the bottom line is there is no missing word here you can view the video of the live broadcast or you can ask the many people who watched TB Joshua make this prophecy.

He specifically asked for prayers to be said on the 24th April, and on no other Friday

On the 19th he issued a warning against traveling, but on no later day. (And if he had specifically meant the 22nd May he should have repeated the warning on the previous Sunday ! - the 17th May)

The "Friday of the Month" plausibly means the 24th April - and does NOT plausibly mean 22nd May, as a specific date.

The idea that Joshua meant to give a specific date rather than something like "last" or "fourth" is implausible.

I'm sick of your little word games frankly; do you think i'm an idiot , your date is just as specific as mine, when you say last Friday of the month, you are referring to the 30th of May. So your addition also results in a specific date, therefore by your own admission, since you end up giving specific date your argument is implausible.

Unfortunately, this video was broadcast by Emmanuel TV, which was founded by TB Joshua so it is hardly impartial.

when you say last Friday of the month, you are referring to the 24th of May, aren't you, that's the date you have been arguing for all along, right.

There is no reason to suggest that they are impartial just because they don't live up to your world view.

I don't have any links to lead you to, however I will ask you to buy a proper dvd package detailing all of these prophecies from their web store on scoan.com.

Therefore not only is there video evidence, but there is also eye-witness evidence.

Since thousands view this live broadcasts on Emmanuel TV in Africa and around the world there is amble evidence to confirm their legitimacy.

Correct. I can suggest that they might not be impartial because they were founded by the man about whom they are reporting and that they might be tempted to cut out awkward parts because they might rely on funding and funding probably relies on a stream of believers.

Eye-witnesses are rubbish. I want to see the uncut video footage, thanks.

And none of those thousands has a copy of the uncut broadcast that they've put online? Shame. Guess there is no uncut evidence for you to present.

If TB Joshua had known that the crash would happen on the 22nd May that in itself WOULD be a good reason to repeat the warning on the 17th May. It would remind people of the warning (given a month earlier) and reinforce it for the very day the crash was due to happen !

You aren't paying attention to the context again.

The idea that Joshua meant to give a specific date rather than something like "last" or "fourth" is implausible.

Also, I did not say that "giving a specific date" would be question-begging (arguing that he meant 22nd May BECAUSE the crash happened on the 22nd May IS question-begging !)