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RAZD
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Message 106 of 121 (526307)
09-26-2009 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by ICdesign
09-26-2009 12:47 PM


Observed avoidance of issues
Hi ICDesign
I was looking at how much time you spend trying to defend evolution
I was looking for you to debate both sides of the design controversy, but you haven't said boo yet.
see Silly Design Institute: Let's discuss BOTH sides of the Design Controversy...
A dog has been and always will be a dog.
Care to discuss why this is so?
Dogs will be Dogs will be ???
Of course you may need more than one-liners and bald assertions.
Enjoy.
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Message 107 of 121 (526308)
09-26-2009 5:14 PM
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09-26-2009 4:54 PM


mocking bird
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Message 108 of 121 (526310)
09-26-2009 5:18 PM
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09-26-2009 5:14 PM


Re: mocking bird
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Message 109 of 121 (526311)
09-26-2009 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by ICdesign
09-26-2009 3:22 PM


Re: Observed instances of speciation
Hi, ICDesign.
No, what it comes down to is that there are a number of general patterns that can be seen in the natural world, including radioactive decay rates; biological progression of fossils with the chronological layering of geological strata; nested hierarchy in genetics studies; and the observable action of mutation and natural selection in ecological studies.
These patterns, in combination, indicate that gradually accumulating changes over long periods of time are responsible for the diversity of life on Earth.
I ask you again: if you can declare that "most mutations are harmful or neutral" is a "proven fact" based on a pattern seen in a proportionally small sample of observed mutations, why can I not declare that "species are evolving overtime" is a "proven fact" based on a pattern of biological radiation seen in a proportionally small sample of observed fossils?
You are not being consistent in your criticisms and acceptances of pattern and theory in the natural world.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Message 110 of 121 (526312)
09-26-2009 5:39 PM
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09-26-2009 5:14 PM


24 hour suspension
You can spend the time figuring out how to stay on topic.

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RAZD
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Message 111 of 121 (526343)
09-26-2009 7:47 PM
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09-26-2009 5:14 PM


Re: mocking bird
Hi ICDesign,
content hidden
Ah, I see that you do NOT want to debate both sides of the design controversy, what you want to do is declare that your opinion is true.
Thanks for making that clarification.
Mockingbird - Wikipedia
quote:
Darwin and mockingbirds
When the survey voyage of HMS Beagle visited the Galpagos Islands in September to October 1835, the naturalist Charles Darwin noticed that the mockingbirds Mimus thenca differed from island to island, and were closely allied in appearance to mockingbirds on the South American mainland. Nearly a year later when writing up his notes on the return voyage he speculated that this, together with what he had been told about Galpagos tortoises, could undermine the doctrine of stability of species. This was his first recorded expression of his doubts about species being immutable, which led to him being convinced about the transmutation of species and hence evolution.[4] It was only after the ship returned to England that he found out about the better known Darwin's Finches.
Bird Intelligence: The Mockingbird
quote:
In an experiment that could be repeated in almost any American back yard, Douglas Levey (et al) grabbed headlines by showing Mockingbirds can distinguish between human individuals, and will attack persons they recognize as threatening -- while ignoring others they have decided are harmless. The birds recognize and remember people based upon as few as two encounters that can last less than 30 seconds.
Brain studies have long suggested Mockingbirds are unusually bright.
Fascinating what you can learn about the real world eh?
Enjoy.
{Maybe slightly on-topic. But I doubt it. - Adminnemooseus}
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Message 112 of 121 (526360)
09-26-2009 8:41 PM
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09-26-2009 12:47 PM


Re: Observed instances of speciation
Everything is after its own kind just as God commanded it to be.
What kind of "Dog," House dog, coyote, grey wolf, dingo, jackel, cape hunting dog? these are all one kind?
Do you want me to start on the cats? rats?, bovines, deer?, dolphins?
In all the time I have been on this forum, the creos have yet to give a concurring definition of KIND.
Edited by bluescat48, : missing letter

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Dr Adequate
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Message 113 of 121 (526379)
09-27-2009 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by ICdesign
09-26-2009 12:47 PM


Re: Observed instances of speciation
I was looking at how much time you spend trying to defend evolution
and I can't help but wonder what kind of look you will have on your face when you are standing before Almighty God.
And I have observed how much time you have spent bearing false witness concerning subjects of which you are ignorant, and I can but wonder what God will have to say to you.
Variation within a kind is all part of the design. A dog has been and always will be a dog.
And a new species is a new species. Shall we trade truisms, or did you have a point?
All you have to do is look around you Doc.
And yet the people who actually spend their lives looking at biology --- they're called biologists --- think that creationism is inferior to, for example, bovine excrement, which can be put to a useful purpose as fertilizer.
The bottom line problem you Darwinist's have is where did the information come from? When you can come up with a proven solution
to that problem, get back to me.
Mutation. Duh.
Do you have any other really, really simple questions you want answering? Anything else that you could have found out in high school if you'd been paying attention?
Sheesh.

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Message 114 of 121 (526383)
09-27-2009 2:14 AM


How about someone trying to truly get on-topic?
The recent message content connection to the topic theme seems to range from slight to nonexistent.
People, note all the big red text just upthread. Not a good thing. And that is not to say the non-hidden messages were wonderful.
I did a search in messages for any variation of the term "fossil". I found it to be very scarce since about half way back in the topic. A prize to Bluejay for using the term in message 105. The previous mention was in message 83, and the previous to that was in message 53.
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Message 115 of 121 (526384)
09-27-2009 2:19 AM
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09-27-2009 2:14 AM


Re: How about someone trying to truly get on-topic?
I think we've done the topic. If no creationist is going to hijack this thread for the purposes of a Gish Gallop, what else is there to discuss?

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Message 116 of 121 (526385)
09-27-2009 2:35 AM
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09-27-2009 2:19 AM


Summary time - So, how about finding the on-topic highlight of this topic?
Summary message time. What message and message content was not most significant contribution to this topic?
BTW, Dr. A - Please strive to keep the quality of your participation at evcforum.net on a reasonably high plain. You've succeeded in becoming the evo side poster boy for doing undesirably abrasive and/or trite messages. Keep annoying the Adminnemooseus and your next suspension is probably going to be a week.
No replies to this message, unless they have some sort of true on-topic purpose.
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Message 117 of 121 (526919)
09-29-2009 4:27 PM
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08-26-2009 5:08 AM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
I am enjoying my first day on this website but sir, I have a question.
I like to post illustrations and have made a few so far. Is there a rule about pictoral illustrations as far as the number per post?
Thank you very much. Have a nice day.
Calypsis4

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Message 118 of 121 (526952)
09-29-2009 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by ICdesign
09-23-2009 11:04 AM


ICDESIGN, as I understand Darwinism, natural selection is what causes the slim minority of beneficial mutations to survive, and natural selection is a principle that is very well-established in observation, regardless of what any single person's calculations may be. For me, observation is more important than mathematical inference. Do you agree?

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Message 119 of 121 (527054)
09-30-2009 7:45 AM
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09-29-2009 4:27 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Welcome to the fray, Calypsis4.
I am enjoying my first day on this website but sir, I have a question.
I like to post illustrations and have made a few so far. Is there a rule about pictoral illustrations as far as the number per post?
See Posting Tips for some useful tip.
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Message 120 of 121 (527057)
09-30-2009 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Calypsis4
09-29-2009 4:27 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Hello Calypsis4, welcome to EvC!
Calypsis4 writes:
I like to post illustrations and have made a few so far. Is there a rule about pictoral illustrations as far as the number per post?
Not that I know, but I would advise you not to do too many. It could clutter up your posts. See this link for more info on ways to change your post layout. I especially like the thumb=300 way of posting pictures, since they will then be small enough to fit on all screens, and can still be viewed full size by clicking on them.
Edited by Huntard, : typo

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