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Seek and ye shall find.You started the thread to complain about people who perceive you as a racist. I'm suggesting that you should look at the way you express yourself. Maybe then you'll come to understand why some people perceive you as a racist.

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Of course my view is arbitrary, I was merely explaining my self, and giving evidence as to why I felt that way. You can always say that you think semitic people are not white, but I think they are. I don't really see how. I am not offended by there mere presence, I just know when there is a group of them together you need to tread carefully. I have never been panhandled by East Asians, South Asians, or White trash when I go into the City, guess who asks me for gas money though, almost every time I go into DC?It is all based on personal experience, and other things that I see in everyday life. bro you stated that you dont care that places like this exist, and then said that I seem to care that they do. I do not care that they exist, but I am not going there either, the only island in the caribbean that I would probably go to is Puerto Rico, maybe the Dutch Islands (ABC). If you have to go "all inclusive" its because the place is to unsafe, and I say no thanks to that (Mexico included). Wow I can't believe you walked into this one. a quick google search and I found a bunch:
here is the top 12 [irl] Top 12 NBA Players Who Had Trouble With the Law[/irl]
if you like I could make a list, but it is alot more than one or a few, more like 1 or two per team.
- you are from Miami correct? in 2007 the Miami Heat signed (PG) Smush Parker to a two year $4,600,000.00 salary. but supposedly assaulted a female parking attendant over $12.00
- in that same year Ron Mercer punch a guy while his buddy stabbed him while in a strip club fight.
- same year, jamison Curry pleaded guitly to public unrination and resiting arrest
- in 08 rasual butler was arrested for CCW without a permit, and wrongful display of a firearm. Also in 08 a pimp was arrested driving Bulter's car (bulter let a pimp borrow the car to deliver hos around)
- Isaiah Rider has been arrested for: unlawful possesion of a handgun (2008), kidnapping (2006), possesion of a controlled substance (2008), Auto Theft (2008), assault (2010), and kidnapping again (2010).
that is 5 but I can go on and on if you want me too. There are a bunch of example in this category of Wealthy Black guys committing violent crimes. ahh now i think we are getting into it.How long should it take for a new group of immigrants to establish themselves in a safe, an secure productive community here in the United States? Are you not a the child of immigrants? Are you out there robbing and shooting people, beating and raping women? Did your parents even speak English when they arrived FOTB? Did they have to turn to a life of crime to survive, because society was working against them. I don't know you or your family, but I have a good guess as to the answers of these questions. it wasn't a walk in the park for anyone, this country in mainly made up of the poor and unwated from other nations. the 1st generation in most cases does not speak the language, and has little or no support. do you think it was easy for chinese kidanpped and forced to build the railroad, is Chinatown where the G's of Cali are from? Are Chinatowns in other states the hood? Out here there are a lot of Koreans, and they may not understand the culture and the language that well (and they cannot operate a automobile for anything), but I am not worried about a group of Koreans approaching me at night on the sidewalk. I think the difference is most people immigrate here and want to make something and better themselves, while african americans feel entitled for the rest of us to take care of them. remember i said so many pages ago that we have to coddle them and not speak ill of them, that they must be treated like children, and by me daring to speak up i would be labeled as a racist by everyone? well I told you so. the only other group that I think is even close to blacks in thier inability to assimilate, is native americans (excluding Cherokee). all I know is that many different cultures of peoples have immigrated here, formed thier own communities (i'm sure Miami has a Cuban community, like Chicago has a Polish community, New York has an Italian one, Boston an Irish one, Minneapolis a Scandinavian one, etc. all these communities started as poor and foriegn, and the government worked against some of them, especially the catholic ones; but guess what? it took far less than 40 years for any of those people or thier descendats, before they "got the picture" and made sure that thier ghettos, where not like the ghettos of those we are talking about.It is very odd to me that all these cultures and peoples and races, and nationalities can get thier shit together except one.

Russians? Yeah, their country is a bit of a crock, isn't it?---Shall we compare statistics for crime and health and literacy and life expectancy and so forth between black Barbadians and black Americans? I can assure you that the black Barbadians are getting the better end of the deal.How are we to account for the difference? The Barbadians live on a tiny impotent island with an economy founded on tourism and sugar cane ... in a nation that's 90% black. The black Americans live in the world's only superpower and the richest nation in the world ... and have the supreme privilege of living with the elevating and ennobling influence of us white folk, who are always so solicitous for their well-being.How, then, shall we account for the differences between them? It's not their ancestry or their skin color, which are the same, and evidently it's not the difference between affluence and (comparitive) poverty. Damn, what is that elusive factor that makes all the difference?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

I never said that I think semitic people are not white. Project much?Apparently you have no idea what the definition of ‘always’ is. It is a rather stupid argument to say something ‘always’ happens, then turn around and say your view is ‘arbitrary’. Your statements go beyond just being pointless and senseless, to being just plain BS. Just the fact that you classify wikipedia as a ‘peer-reviewed’ source tells me and a whole lot of other people that your failure in the evidence department is beyond weak. The fact that you admit that your classification of Semitic people as ‘White’ is arbitrary blows whatever remains of your supposed evidence out of the water.Moving on And you continue If your view is ‘arbitrary’, why claim that others are incorrect? How the hell can you claim to ‘have all the evidence’? Just because you draw lines on a map doesn’t make you the final arbiter of racial classifications. It astounds me that you can continue to spout out such ignorant tripe.There are some many issues with the ending paragraph in msg 257 that I can not answer every one that came up. Specifically, those questions you posed for certain individuals I tried to leave off. There are a couple of underlying assumptions you seem to make in your supposed questions. The first being that the path to being a safe, secure and productive community was and should be relatively short and easy for immigrants or minorities. The record on 19th and 20th century immigration does not bear that out. In fact, it took almost 100 years from the time the Italians' mass immigration began in the late 19th century before it became clear that as a group they would make it, educationally and occupationally, into the American mainstream.The second assumption you seem to make is that all groups have and always have been treated the same, regardless of arbitrary distinctions about race. You’re wrong on that account as well. Unlike the ‘nominally’ white immigrants from southern and eastern Europe, Asians and most non-white groups were prevented from naturalization and subject to antimiscegenation laws until much later. It wasn’t until about the mid-20th century that equal access to naturalization was codified in the Immigrant Act of 1965, for all immigrants. But even though considered ‘legally’ white, the ‘nominally’ white migrant people, were subject to racism. (The Second Generation from the Last Great Wave of Immigration: Setting the Record Straight. By Nancy Foner, Hunter College and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, Richard Alba, State University of New York at Albany, October 2006) The Immigration Act of 1965: Intended and unintended consequences of the 20th Century. By Roger Daniels, U.S. Department of State publication, Historians on America, 03 April 2008 Yes. Focusing just on Italians and Jewish people, we find that limited opportunities to advance economically and educationally in their newly adopted society created ripe conditions for criminal behavior. In New York, during the early 20th century, 1/6th of felon arrests were Jewish. For several decades after World War II, the dominant figures in organized crime were second-generation Jews and Italians, often working in concert.
(The Second Generation from the Last Great Wave of Immigration: Setting the Record Straight, By Nancy Foner, Hunter College and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, Richard Alba, State University of New York at Albany, October 2006) Could you clarify this statement? Are you suggesting that we should or shouldn’t classify Chinatowns as ‘the hood’? Or are you asking if there is or isn’t comparable rates of crime in such a designated area? Stereotype much? Your prejudices have no bearing on the facts. You could just as easily ask an African-american how safe they would feel walking down a street at night in any predominantly white neighborhood, especially in the Southern United States (and not just because of the ‘civilian’ population). Where the fuck do you come up with this crap? It is patently obvious that you are racist, by any objective measure. African-americans feel entitled? Entitled?!?! You’re fucking right that African-americans should feel entitled, but not the way you presume they want to be. They absolutely deserve the right to being treated the same as anyone else. In no uncertain terms are they not entitled to that. They fucking are entitled to not being discriminated by the fucking government of the United States. They are fucking entitled to a blind justice system. They are entitled to fucking equal pay and equal opportunities. That you could just spout out such god-awful shit boggles my mind and reminds me how plainly ignorant and racist you are absolutely. It took the Italians almost 100 years before they were considered part of the mainstream community. They weren’t the only ones who took that and/or longer. According to you, there is more than one culture or race that couldn’t get their shit together.

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the only other group that I think is even close to blacks in thier inability to assimilate, is native Americans

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You can’t even keep your own made-up facts straight.

ok. So!?!and the world hasn't always been classified as round, my point was that it doesn not matter how things were classified but how things are. I never mentioned classification, I said Jews always were Caucasian. I tried, it seemed to work in the preview then didn't work when i published it, I'll see if I can make it bigger. Its difficult because I am not sure how many pixels I have to work with on this site's page, and guessed a lower resolution to try for the 1st time. I'll try again, though my personal classification is very simialar to Stanley Garn (Thank you Coyote). thanks i had no idea about the "thumb" tags. shit it didn;t work i'll have to try agains later

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Peer review is a process used for checking the work performed by one's equals (peers) to ensure it meets specific criteria. Peer review is used in working groups for many professional occupations because it is thought that peers can identify each other's errors quickly and easily, speeding up the time that it takes for mistakes to be identified and corrected.

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Credible is relative to the reader, and I never said wikipedia was a scietific source, as all kinds of things are peer review. I make Maps for a living (Cartographer), every time a finish a new map a peer reviews my map to spot human errors in the data. my maps are therefore peer reviewed. you didn't really say anythihg other than the obvious. yep, no argument from me, I was just making an obsevation that seems to be common of the Homo sapiens sapiens that have dark skin and originate from subsaharan africa. And how even though we are are the same race biologically, its weird that one color morph of our species stands out in certain ways and appears to have certain traits. I know we are all the same race, which is another reason calling me a racist does not make alot of sense. I do not think that Jews really come from a wide variety of ethnicities and backgrounds. there is the original, and those the original bred with. Judaism is a ethnic religion. While they technically "accept" converts, those are never really seen as truely Jewish, and Jews are not evangelizers/converters like Christians and Mulsims are. Really the true way to become a Jew is to be born a Jew from a Jew mother. and I agree that Jew is not a race, but people who are Jewish are white (I am sure there are some Black Jews out there, but I am also sure they are probably less than 1% of the total Jews). well I do, and I have. I do not who this "many" is that you speak of. I think the Suerians, Egyptians, Phoencians, Cretes, and Mycenaens were all white as well. are they white? to me racism is about superiority, and inferiority. I do not find black people biologically inferior, nor do i feel white people are biologically superior. But i do see many things that I find in black, cities towns, and hoods that I do not like. I do not see these things (in my personal experience) in the barrio, chinatown, the korean hood, or with south asians (Indians). pages ago I said: that for some reason in our day and age it was taboo to talk about why one may think blacks have problems, and what those problems are and how you feel about them. I was lulled into thinking this forum was a place of objective and open-minded people, where I could really talk about this, and there are a few people who can "think outside the box" here, but for the most part my prediction was correct about most of the users here.I just don't have a PC-Filter, and can discuss whatever.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I studied more Friedrich Ratzel, and Ellen Churchill Semple and some modern Environmental Determinalist stuff from Jared Diamond. But my classes where in the Geography Department, and my background is more human geography. and only 1 decade back.I appriciate the mention of Stanley Garn, I looked his map up, Mine is really close to his except I don't really classifiy Micronesians, and I think the Philipines and Indonesia is not Asiatic.

I don’t know why this is so hard for you to grasp. If you claim that your position is ‘arbitrary’, you can’t then claim that only the evidence for your position is true. Making shit up and then claiming that only the evidence you provide is true is laughable. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim you never classified Jewish people, and then turn around and classify them. If it isn’t obvious by now that you make shit up as you go, it’s abundantly clear now. But, overlooking your glaring inconsistencesWhat physical evidence and reasoning do you propose for your classification? I suggest that we are not going to progress if we can’t agree on what is a ‘credible’ source. And I’ll head this off quick -> Your say so ain’t evidence. It would help if you could list those traits. Then I suggest you don’t know what the definition of racist means. That is only half of what constitutes racism. It is also the belief that racial characteristics determine capabilities and traits. E.g. All Jewish people are greedy. All white people lie. It hasn’t been taboo to discuss the problems that plague minorities. If that was the case then you wouldn’t find the tons of research that attempt to uncover the issues that they confront. What it might be is a tender issue because of the inherent racism and indignities that many minorities have had to deal with in trying to achieve the American dream.Your problem is you don’t even understand your own racism.

??? Is Caucasian not a classification??? Thanks for trying. And what would that be? That they naturally have a propensity to be criminals? That is called stereotyping and being prejudice. And you don't think some of them see us the same way? As standing out in certain ways and having certain undesirable traits? Racism is racism, stereotyping is stereotyping whether it is exhibited by a white, black, or purple person. If you deem another race/ethnic group's actions/behavior as undesirable, than that means you believe your race/ethnic group's actions are more desirable and acceptable. That is the core definition of what racism means: Agreed. However, in the 3000+ years since there birth as an ethnicity they have intermarried (both physically and culturally) with a lot of other cultures and ethnicities. That was my point. True. It depends on what you constitute as white? The very definition of the term 'white' in regards to race, has evolved over time. If you told anyone in America 50 years ago that Jews were white they would probably ridicule you. Not to say that this is correct, but that the term 'white' is an arbitrary term. Ditto, see above. What constitutes 'white'? I am not big on using skin color to categorize people. Is a malato white? Is a hapa white?How about Ethiopian Jews, such as Haim Salem, a 27 year old Ethiopian-born Jew? No he was not a convert. People of Jewish decent have been living in Ethiopia since before Jesus birth. Compare this to more Caucasian looking Jews: Thus grouping all Jews as Caucasians is not totally accurate either. Yet, you group people together by the color of their skin and say they all act the same way and that it is not acceptable how they act/behave. You may not be coming right out and saying that you are superior and they are inferior but you are implying it by saying that race's behavior is unacceptable.Do you really believe all black people act the same way? Behave the same way?Do you see how stupid and ridiculously ignorant dividing and stereotyping people on racial lines is? And let me guess, their are absolutely no white people or people of other races that live on the wrong side of the tracks aka the Ghetto that you talk about? There are no 'white' people who commit crimes or who despicable things. I think you’re getting hung up on race when the issue is more of a cultural issue that goes across racial lines. Poverty has a large factor in how people of any race act. It is a known statistic that the lower the standard of living and family income the higher the crime rate goes up. When people become desperate than they become more susceptible at odds with the rest of society. This is socioeconomical fact, whether people are black, white, purple or blue makes no difference.If history was turned on its ear and the roles were reversed, with the Caucasians as the suppressed minority and blacks as the original colonization superpower, I would bet my bottom dollar that the exact same effects would come out with large percentages of white people living in the slums of inner cities and the majority of black people living in middle and upper class society. What specific things are you talking about? It goes both ways. Many 'whites' have issues when 'blacks' talk about problems about the 'whites'. Their are still deep racial divides in our country and unfortunately both sides still are unwilling to resolve a lot of these issues. Again, it goes both ways. Believe me I have seen it first hand, myself being from the South. Stereotyping the behavior of a race of people is not 'thinking outside the box' and furthermore it is not logical. If we were as intolerant as you make us out to be, than I wouldn't be having this conversation right now.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

I guess we come from different backgrounds and have experienced life a lot different. I hang out at "urban night" in the comedy clubs all the time. I've hung out with Eddie Griffen and his 20+ posse of all black friends. Hung out with Tracy Morgan and his large group of black friends. We've gone to all black night clubs, strip clubs, even drove into the hood to make a late night purchase of weed...nothing has ever remotely come close to happening to me. Now, I'm not going to pretend that I wasn't fucked with for being the only perceived white guy in the group, even though I'm hispanic. But it was all in good fun. Just like when my black friends come with me to my neighborhood and I fuck with them about being black in a hispanic hood. We joke about it, but never is it taken serious.If you look at the world through your own blinders, you'll perceive it in your own way, but it may not be accurate and it may limit you from experiencing a whole other culture that you've never had the pleasure of getting to know. You do what you, but I'd rather not live like that. No I'm not, but neither is every black person. There are just as many white people and hispanics shooting, beating and raping as there are black people. In fact, statistically, white people rape far more often than black people do. You are seeing the world through your blinders, man. ...never immigrated here. Remember that. They were brought here as slaves, treated like shit, throw to the side like a second-class human being. And up until the late 60's early 70's were they even recognized as equals.And still, even though you perceive it as though black people "can't get their shit together," they have come up and achieved probably a lot more than you or I have. You are limiting your opinion to what you see on the news and are generalizing based on your limited experience. All of my black friends are successful people. None has ever committed a crime or been arrested... maybe for possession of weed, but fuck, so have I. But nothing major. I don't see them as different, I don't even see them as "black," that's why I say nigga in front of them and to them all the time, cuz I don't see anything different about them and I.I get that you may have experienced things differently, and have a different opinion because of it. But it's not an accurate description of that race; you have a closed off, limited opinion based on a few experiences. Hopefully one day that can change.- Oni

well of course we have. word. I have hung out with the St. Lunatics, and worked a private party for Chingy and Ludacris, and yeah those guys act like they have seen the light, they got too much to lose to act a fool. I don't blame them, but celebrities, are different in my book. Well, i can't say i really kicked it with the st. lunatics, but I smoked weed with them a few times. yeah I hear ya, been there done that as well; though drivin to the hood for a late night weed purchase!?! for real? weed is urywhur, those late night trips for me were all about the booger sugar, back in tha day. well i dont want to get all into semantics, but well ok nevermind. they have been emancipated in the south since 1863, and in the border states since 1868, and in places like my home state of PR Illinios since 1818. and as far as that 2nd class citixen thing goes, almost every group went through that, see the Irish, and the Italians for great examples. well that is the evidence that I have had at my disposal so far...
BTW: I do not have TV and I do not watch the news. most of my evidence is 1st hand personal exp. Of course man.I guess "White Flight" is based on nothing too. ever notice what happends to those towns after all the white people move away? urban decays sets in and they go to shit. This already happend in the 1980s and 1990s in the former Rhodesia, except the whites immigrated away similar to a white flight, and then the nation that became Zimbabwe went to shit.the same thing is occuring right now today in South Africa, as they are realizing the dream is over, its time to leave as there are too many blacks, and thier desire to literally fuck the country to death (by the spread of AIDS), I could be wrong but I know some former south africans who are now americans, and have heard to much about the horror story that is South Africa. its well on its way to going to shit. interesting...you could guess exactly what I was referring to when I typed the same sentence (which you also quoted) about black cities and towns, yet when I mention another ethic/cultural group you draw a blank and ask for me to be more specific.I rest my case.

Is this somehow supposed to excuse their inhumane treatment? Emancipated, yes. Given the same rights and freedoms as their white counterparts, no. Jim Crow laws existed until the mid-1960s, which is still within the lifetime of many African-Americans. Yeah, I am sure the black citizens of that country loved their treatment under the white colonialists who exploited and outright stole their land, cattle and natural resources. This is essentially the exact same thing Europeans did when they exploited Native Americans in the name of Manifest Destiny. Now put yourself in the black Africans or Native American shoes and see if you would feel the same way. Talk about bigotry and intolerance. This has nothing to do with the color of the skin and has everything to do with enslaving and exploiting a group people for hundreds of years and than totally removing all forms of political and economical stability from a country with no desire to help these people form a stable government. As far as AIDS, this is a catch-22. AIDS is perpetuating an already spiraling down economical, political and educational system and the inadequate sex education, political corruption and poverty increases the AIDS rate. You do realize not everyone around the world are as well educated as we are, right? Most of these people would be a lot more grateful than us of the luxurious life style we have. Most are lucky to have a child that lives past the age of 2, to have a roof over their head (I am not even talking about running water or sewage) or enough food to feed their families maybe once a day if that.Again, when people become desperate whether they be black or white or anywhere in-between, than the morality of society itself breaks down. Take a group of white people, stick them in the same conditions and see what happens. Oh, right, that already happened back in the Middle Ages. Yes, that is right, most Caucasians have a 700-800 year lead in technology, politics and education than many African countries. Almost all of these countries have only been liberated in the last 40-50 years, some only within the last 20 years.I am not going to pull anymore punches with you Artimes. I tried being nice and try to understand your point of view but you did not reciprocate.Instead of trying to provide solutions you bitch and whine about your cushy life in America and how you don't want to be near black people because you think they are shitty people. I am pretty sure you know that not all black people are the people you make them out to be. You just project all your insecurities and fears on them for whatever reason. It is people like you who perpetuate the problem instead of help to solve it. So do you group these former South Africans you know, in with the rest of the blacks you keep on stereotyping? Are they shitty people too? What the fuck is your point? What are you implying? What is it about black people in particular you do not like? Is it because they don't act like you? Are you just bigoted against anyone that doesn't act and look like you? What the fuck?!? Because you are so fucking wishy-washy, saying you don't like being around black people and then mention your associations with them aka "I have black friends" bullshit. I have no clue what you are trying to say. Just fucking come out clean and say you don't like black people for no fucking reason other than they are black and they don't act just like you. Just get it off your chest. Grow a pair and act like a man instead of a spoiled, self-indulgent kid who has no empathy or compassion for those who don't have the education, wealth and resources you have.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

They were never forced into segregation up until the late 1960's, dude.When this happened to jewish people they were given a country, when it happened to blacks they weren't given shit. And now they're expected to just rise up with no support? C'mon dude, this is the age of information, no one is limited in the info they have. We may close ourselves off because we may be satisfied with our opinions, but we do that by choice. No, its based on ignorance. Yeah, they get some good culture, like in China Town, Harlem, Miami, Portuguese neighborhoods in Jersey... you may need to get out more, dude. Different cultures are awesome.I've been to all-white neighborhoods, they may have nice houses but that doesn't mean they don't have drug issues, domestic violence, suicidal tendencies, depression, adultery, meth labs, etc. Have you ever been to a trailer park? Ever seen a meth lab operation?The reason "urban decay" takes place is because cities ignore these areas, but for a purpose. Usually these neighborhoods are ignores because rich fucks want the property value to drop so they can buy everything, then the city comes in and rebuilds it, now they're sitting on a property that has increased in value. It happened with the Miami Arena (where the Miami Heat used to play). Some politicians were involved in it, and some went to jail.Its not a race thing dude, there are lots of factors to all of this that you have issue with.- Oni

Well, "Jew" isn't really a racial definition, now is it? Neither is "Christian" or "Muslim". I mean, is this a "Christian": Or is this:

The resolution is irrelevant, it will scale automatically if you use the {img} {/img} (but with the right brackets) way to post a picture. So, make it high enough to easily read, and just upload it somewhere, the site will scale it automatically, and when you click on it it will jump to its original size. As you can see in my Message 267

Exactly my point to AE. Judaism is a religion. Maybe at one point in history Judaism was tied to a specific genetic gene pool or ethnicity aka the Israelited or Hebrews, however that is no longer the case.Even Judaism, which frowns upon intermarriage, intermarriage has inevitably occurer over the past several thousand years and the original genetic stock of this socioreligious system has become diluted. That along with converts from other ethnicities has resulted in a multi-racial/multi-ethnic conglomeration of believers of this faith.Today, Judaism encompasses people from around the world of many different ancestries: Ashkenazim (descendants of Jews who migrated into northern France and Germany around 800-1000 AD, and later into Eastern Europe), Romaniotes (Greek-speaking Jews from the Balkans), Sephardim (Jews whose ancestors lived in Spain or Portugal), San Nicandro Jews (group of mid-20th century converts from Italy), Subbotniks (group of Jews from Azerbaijan and Armenia, whose ancestors were Russian peasants who converted to Judaism), Krymchaks and Karaim (Turkic-speaking Jews of the Crimea and Eastern Europe), Bukharian Jews (Jews from Central Asia), Yemenite Jews (Oriental Jews), Egyptian Jews (Jews thought to have descended from the great Jewish communities of Hellenistic Alexandria, mixed with many more recent groups of immigrants), Jews of the Bilad el-Sudan (West Africa), Cochin Jews (Indian Jews from south-western India), Chinese Jews (an ancient Jewish community in China, descended from merchants living in China from at least the era of the Tang dynasty), B'nai Moshe (converts to Judaism originally from Trujillo, Peru), etc, etc. Some come from the original Hebrew stock and many from ancient and more modern converts. Now are you going to tell me AE that all the below Jews are the same race and ethnicitySephardi Jews: Indian Jews: Ashkenazi Jewish family: Bukharan Jewish teacher and students in Samarkand, modern-day Uzbekistan: Amazonian Jews: Kurdish Jews in Rawanduz, Iraqi Kurdistan: Chinese Jews from the city of Kaifeng, China: Ethiopian Jews: Therefore, modern day Judaism, like Christianity and any other religion in the modern age is more of a religious worldview than a single race or ethnicity.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

Example, I was washing my cement patio with a pressure washer. We were close to drought conditions, but there were no restrictions yet. I was using very little water, and I was having a party, so I needed to clean it. I waited till 11am to start the machine, because I was being considerate of my neighbors. So my one (known) liberal neighbor, who always calls the cops, decided to put a letter in my mail box about it, and then call the cops on me.She got in a lot of trouble for doing both things.