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Yrreg
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Message 1 of 49 (466935)
05-18-2008 7:44 PM


I like to meet people who have used the ouija board, specially people who are still using the board, or even just people who don't mind using the ouija board.
Have you obtained useful information from the ouija board or by way of the ouija board?
Useful information is any piece of knowledge which you are glad to have come by to make your life more convenient or even happier in any way at any time.
For an example of useful information, you want to go out tonight but you are wondering whether it might rain tonight, so you go to the ouija board and ask whether it will rain tonight.
Another example of useful information, someone in your family is on hemodialysis, but you are wondering whether peritoneal dialysis is better for him. MY own opinion based on stock reading is that if I were the one on dialysis I would choose peritoneal dialysis, because to my again stock knowledge it is better for me everything considered.
Still another example of useful information, you are wondering what is a good and safe home material for removing rust stains from a piece of clothing. In my place, the juice of the kalamansi fruit; this is a very sour but tasty citrus fruit that is like a grapefruit reduced one to one and a half inch diameter -- but much more sour and tasty than grapefruit.
Yrreg

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Larni
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Message 2 of 49 (467024)
05-19-2008 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Yrreg
05-18-2008 7:44 PM


I did a ouija board once.
Nothing happened.
Can't say I'm suprised; it's just 19th century parlour trickery used to wow the guests after you've finished the port.

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Annafan
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Message 3 of 49 (467026)
05-19-2008 6:32 AM


If you don't have a board, you can of course also catch a fish, dissect it and read its intestines.
I've heard people got some pretty good results from that, as early as 2500 years ago.

  
Shield
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Message 4 of 49 (467029)
05-19-2008 7:20 AM


When i was about 12-13 year old i had a friend who were a couple of years older than me.
He used to be very into Ouija boards, i wasent, but i played it with him.
I wasent impressed.
No revelations, no weird magic.
My friend claimed he was beeing teached by this guru, and when he was spiritual enough, this guru would let talk to Kurt Cobain.
I always laughed at this.
Now this guy is a friendless loner, with alot of nonsense oriental tatoos.

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Yrreg
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Message 5 of 49 (467439)
05-21-2008 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Shield
05-19-2008 7:20 AM


From witnesses to theory of spirits' existence
    Most of the materials in the web on ouija board are not of any useful purposes except to thrill people as in ghost stories, and then to give warning to people to stop dabbling in ouija board, because it will lead you to minor or major disasters even death.
    My purpose in this thread is to see if anyone at all who has experiences with ouija board can say something positive about the ouija board, in terms of useful information that makes life easier and even makes us happier.
    Essentially the ouija board is one discovery and invention of mankind whereby mankind can contact spiritual beings, namely, entities of all kinds like organisms, but invisible and not to all 'appearances' bound to the laws of physics and chemistry and biology.
    Now, I just have this flight of fancy thinking that since the witnesses of their existence i.e. spirits' are so numerous, and dating to from since man attained conscious intelligence -- come to think of it even cats and dogs seem to witness also the existence of spirits:
      You see Darwin saw a lot of fossils with similarities in their structure, and he speculated on these similarities as the basis for his book,
      On the origin of species
      by means of natural selection,
      or the preservation of favoured races
      in the struggle for life.
      Time to get together all the testimonies of history and all the men and women today who have contacts with spirits, to get a theory on spirits' existence formulated, so that we can have a science of spiritology.
      Yrreg

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      Shield
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      Message 6 of 49 (467546)
      05-22-2008 9:08 AM
      Reply to: Message 5 by Yrreg
      05-21-2008 4:41 PM


      Re: From witnesses to theory of spirits' existence
      quote:
      Time to get together all the testimonies of history and all the men and women today who have contacts with spirits, to get a theory on spirits' existence formulated, so that we can have a science of spiritology.
      Testimonies are worth nothing.
      quote:
      Essentially the ouija board is one discovery and invention of mankind whereby mankind can contact spiritual beings, namely, entities of all kinds like organisms, but invisible and not to all 'appearances' bound to the laws of physics and chemistry and biology.
      No, its not. It a wooden board with letters and numbers on it.
      How does this enable it to do anything?

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      Granny Magda
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      Message 7 of 49 (467563)
      05-22-2008 11:59 AM
      Reply to: Message 5 by Yrreg
      05-21-2008 4:41 PM


      Re: From witnesses to theory of spirits' existence
      Hi Yrreg,
      I once took part in a ouija board session. A cup obligingly slid around on the table, spelling out words. It claimed to be a spirit and showed a strong interest in one of us; by an not-very-astonishing non-coincidence it was the one with the biggest ego in the room and the only one of us who explicitly believed in the paranormal. It told him lots of flattering things about how special he was. He was apparently related to Merlin. It showed a marked interest in Arthurian and Celtic myth, just like Mr Big Ego. However, when challenged to provide specific and verifiable data (such as the day of the week on a given date or a checkable historical event) it completely failed to do so.
      All that was happening was that my egotist friend was (consciously or unconsciously) guiding the cup and making it say things that he wanted to hear. No magic, no spirit, just an attention seeking young man playing parlour games.
      Ouija boards do work, at least in the sense that they will spell out words, but there is no magic or spirit involved. The phenomenon is a result of ideomotor action, little unconscious movements of (in this case) the hands, triggered by thoughts alone, with no conscious direction or intent. These ideomotor movements are always happening.
      In the case of ouija boards, those taking part are primed to expect the cup/glass/planchette to move around and spell out words, so this is the direction in which the unconscious movements guide the planchette. It is simply much more interesting for it to work than it is for it to do nothing, so when a tiny movement pushes the planchette one way, it triggers another ideomotor movement that increases the movement or guides it in the direction that seems most likely to form a word. These movements add up and, before you know it, the planchette is flying around the board at an impressive speed.
      It is the same trick that make table turning work.
      If you doubt this explanation, try doing the ouija board whilst blindfolded. The results will be gibberish.
      Here are a couple of links which I urge you to take a look at;
      Ouija board - The Skeptic's Dictionary
      Ideomotor phenomenon - Wikipedia
      I would also recommend the stage magician Derren Brown's book "Tricks of the Mind", where he goes into the truth behind such practices as ouija boards and spiritualism, especially the practice of "cold reading". Brown is quite capable of putting on an impressive show of "psychic" ability, including ouija boards, but it is all just stage magic. That's all it ever is.

      Mutate and Survive

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      Coragyps
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      Message 8 of 49 (467600)
      05-22-2008 7:05 PM


      Sure there's useful information on a Ouija board! The entire English alphabet is there!

      "The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

        
      Yrreg
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      Message 9 of 49 (467607)
      05-22-2008 8:12 PM
      Reply to: Message 7 by Granny Magda
      05-22-2008 11:59 AM


      A means to self-knowledge from oneself and others
      What then is the useful information or generally usefulness of the ouija board?
      From what I have read it is a means for self knowledge from oneself and from others who know you in any way.
      And what is the usefulness of self-knowledge?
      What about self-guidance to the pursuit of life and liberty to the attainment of happiness?
      So, if you are honest with yourself and you have a modicum of reason and intelligence, then you don't really need to pay for the service of any experts in the psychological service sectors to help you know yourself, and guide you or consequently you guide yourself to be a well-adjusted person, again, for the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness as the end objective.
      You can use the ouija board, you alone or together with friends who are after your best interests; that will save a lot of money and time and trouble dealing with experts in psychology, like professionals called psychiatrists or popularly shrinks.
      But, even though we have apparently debunked the spirits from the ouija board, that is no certainty at all that there are no such entities as spirits, the question is still an open issue.
      However, since we are already too occupied dealing with visible beings starting with ourselves, it might be very advisable to leave the spirits to their own devices -- unless and until there is some usefulness to believe and to act accordingly that they exist and have an impact in our lives.
      As regards the big title of this website and forum, namely, Creation versus Evolution, my impression is that there are among the cons to evolution theory people who believe in one supreme spirit in charge of the whole caboodle that is the universe of existence, and there are very many among the pros who insist that there is no such spirit but there is only nature.
      Is that the nature? which is 'in charge' of natural selection as in Charles Darwin's natural selection in his work:
      On the origin of species
      by means of natural selection,
      or the preservation of favoured races
      in the struggle for life
      That is one entity I like to investigate more and more in regard to the theory of evolution.
      Now is the time for all good men pro theory of evolution to come to the aid of their nature.
      Yrreg

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      Vacate
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      Message 10 of 49 (467609)
      05-22-2008 8:49 PM
      Reply to: Message 9 by Yrreg
      05-22-2008 8:12 PM


      Re: A means to self-knowledge from oneself and others
      then you don't really need to pay for the service of any experts in the psychological service sectors to help you know yourself
      Depending on the severity of the problem I would agree with this point.
      You can use the ouija board
      Instead of psychological services you recommend instead a piece of wood that may or may not contact the paranormal?
      that is no certainty at all that there are no such entities as spirits, the question is still an open issue.
      Most interesting of your points is why you think that spirits are all psychologists?
      Edited by Vacate, : Spell checks cure idiocy? Is there a cure for being in a hurry?

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      Taz
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      Message 11 of 49 (467611)
      05-22-2008 9:19 PM


      I don't get it.
      Is there a reason why you idiotes are mispeling so manny words?

      I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

        
      Larni
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      Message 12 of 49 (467659)
      05-23-2008 5:35 AM
      Reply to: Message 5 by Yrreg
      05-21-2008 4:41 PM


      Re: From witnesses to theory of spirits' existence
      Yrreg writes:
      Don't we have here enough testimonies and witnesses for a theory of spirits' existence?
      The answer to this is no. If there was real evidence of spirits etc, don't you think that since the witnesses of their existence i.e. spirits' are so numerous, and dating to from since man attained conscious intelligence this evidence would be easily availible for examination?
      If someone really could contact the dead, don't you think the mechanism would have been understood? After all, humanity understands so many arcane concepts today that it boggles the mind.
      Contacting the dead remains unsubstantiated because the only evidence in existance is vague statements by vagues people with vague experiences that absolutly do not stand up to investigation.
      Yrreg writes:
      Time to get together all the testimonies of history and all the men and women today who have contacts with spirits, to get a theory on spirits' existence formulated, so that we can have a science of spiritology.
      What kind of data do you think this is?
      Is it reliable?
      If it is how can you tell?
      Is it valid?
      If it is how can you tell?
      One could perform some really interesting qualitative research on the meanings these 'witnesses'ascribe to their experiences but the objective truth is beyond personal account.
      Yrreg writes:
      So, if you are honest with yourself and you have a modicum of reason and intelligence, then you don't really need to pay for the service of any experts in the psychological service sectors to help you know yourself,
      In a perfect world this would be the case. It is not a perfect world and many people are not able to behave in this way.
      The point is that ouija boards and spiritualists have displayed no evidence to suggest that there is a means of contacting the dead.
      And another thing, spiritualists only seem to pop up in western culture after the advent of radio. I can't help but thinking this is important for the introduction of the concept of invisible communication.
      Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
      Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
      Edited by Larni, : Fixed some spellink

      Jesus Saves! The rest of the party take full damage.

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      Yrreg
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      Message 13 of 49 (467740)
      05-23-2008 8:00 PM
      Reply to: Message 12 by Larni
      05-23-2008 5:35 AM


      Well, that is a revelation for me! Hahahaha.
      Well, that is a revelation for me! Hahahaha.
      Time to consult the contributors to peer review magazines, etc.
      But my interest now is to investigate the nature that is at the heart of the theory of evolution, or in the work of Charles Darwin on natural selection as the what, mechanism (misnomer I believe) of the origin of species (Darwin's term for what we now call evolution of species or evolution in brief in the proper context):
      On the origin of species
      by means of natural selection,
      or the preservation of favoured races
      in the struggle for life
      So, shall we give some attention to nature?
      Yrreg

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      Larni
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      Message 14 of 49 (467783)
      05-24-2008 10:00 AM
      Reply to: Message 13 by Yrreg
      05-23-2008 8:00 PM


      Well now I'm confused.
      So do you want to drop the ouija board topic?
      I would have thought the mechanism of evolution can be easily summed up with mutation and natual selection.
      Any other questions?

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      Yrreg
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      Message 15 of 49 (467820)
      05-24-2008 6:17 PM
      Reply to: Message 14 by Larni
      05-24-2008 10:00 AM


      Re: Well now I'm confused.
      quote:
      So do you want to drop the ouija board topic?
      I would have thought the mechanism of evolution can be easily summed up with mutation and natual selection.
      Any other questions?
        —"Larni"
      Honestly, I have not come across any really serious laboratory study of the ouija board; I thought up the topic, "Ouija board, useful information from?" to sincerely hear anything at all about the ouija board which is of any utility to man, hear from people who have experienced the ouija board.
      What I have read from the messages here is more toward warning not to dabble in ouija board activities, because it can lead to disasters even to death of participants or family members and friends of participants who don't dabble in the board.
      Warning not to is the thrust of writings also in the web on ouija board; but the ouija board is described as a way and means to get messages from spirits, i.e., answers to questions, specially from spirits of deceased people who need not have known any of the participants during their life time.
      There seems to be a hurry to dismiss the ouija board, owing as I said to the fear of disasters presumably from the spirits contacted; but no one has attempted any speculations as to why the spirits want to do harm to people.
      So, my conclusion from reading about accounts by people who profess to have studied the ouija board is that it is a way and means by which unwittingly the participants talk about themselves either honestly or dishonestly; but if you are clever you will realize that if you would look at the ouija board positively, it is an easy and economical method to get to know oneself which one then can then employ for self-guidance in life, as I said to pursue life, liberty, and the attainment of happiness.
      That is my conclusion in respect of saying something positive about the ouija board, instead of adopting a negative bias toward it.
      About theory of evolution and the fact of evolution, I am sincerely trying to find out why people can't agree on exactly what are the findings from our senses and our talents for thinking constructively i.e., positively, the enlightening knowledge which we all can embrace, if for no other reason than to enrich our acquaintance with life and the universe as we can fathom. according to our possibilities and limitations for again, knowledge.
      You say, "I would have thought the mechanism of evolution can be easily summed up with mutation and natual selection."
      That sounds like you are not being very certain about what you think, that the fact of evolution is summed up with mutation and natural selection.
      You see, I like to determine exactly what is nature's role in natural selection and of course also in mutation that make up the fact of evolution, which the theory is trying to explain.
      Allow me to invite you to join me in a new thread on the role of nature in random mutation and in non-random natural selection.
      Yrreg

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