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jar
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Message 16 of 299 (285656)
02-10-2006 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by randman
02-10-2006 3:02 PM


Re: What is Christ-like?
I think I know what being Christ-like is because I am a Christian.

Now answer this.

Is burning someone at the stake Christ-like?


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Message 17 of 299 (285660)
02-10-2006 3:13 PM
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02-10-2006 3:05 PM


Re: What is Christ-like?
No, but my point jar is you say you are a Christian but then claim Christianity is a force for evil. Are you then a force for evil?

How do you know your ideas of Christ-likeness are correct?

And if you are asserting that Christ's real teachings are not a force for evil in the world, then shouldn't you qualify your claims that Christianity is the greatest force of evil in the world, and say that false Christianity is?

The way you put it, being a Christian means that you are part of a great, evil force, and Jesus is not part of Christianity because Christianity is evil and unChristlike, right?

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jar
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Message 18 of 299 (285665)
02-10-2006 3:24 PM
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02-10-2006 3:13 PM


Re: What is Christ-like?
No, but my point jar is you say you are a Christian but then claim Christianity is a force for evil. Are you then a force for evil?

No, I am not Christianity. I am but one Christian, and I am trying to reform the religion.

And if you are asserting that Christ's real teachings are not a force for evil in the world, then shouldn't you qualify your claims that Christianity is the greatest force of evil in the world, and say that false Christianity is?

No, not at all. Christiantity is not Christ. It is not false Christianity that is evil, but Christianity as being practiced by many Christians. For example, the current attempt to oppress many Americans as found in the Defence of Marriage Act is an example of Christian Intolerance. The quote from Faith is an example of Christian Intolerance.

These beople are not False Christians, I imagine they believe they are the true Christians. That is the problem.

Until we, as Christians recognize the bad that Christianity does, we cannot fix it.

The way you put it, being a Christian means that you are part of a great, evil force, and Jesus is not part of Christianity because Christianity is evil and unChristlike, right?

Jesus is not part of Christianity. The Map is not the Territory. Religion is a creation of humans. Jesus is the Territory. Christianity is but the Map.

Until we, as Christians, recognize those things we do that are not Christ-like, where we are being intolerant and oppressive, we cannot change Christianity.


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Message 19 of 299 (285675)
02-10-2006 3:40 PM
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Re: What is Christ-like?
But jar, you yourself admit that true Christianity, which you call Christ-likeness, is not the same as oppression.

So why do you mischaracterize all of Christianity as one thing when in reality, there have been and are different versions of it?


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Message 20 of 299 (285677)
02-10-2006 3:45 PM
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02-10-2006 3:40 PM


Re: What is Christ-like?
No, I do not say that true Christianity is Christ-like. I do not split Christianity into subgroups. There is only Christianity.

What I say is that Christianity should be Christ-like.


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Message 21 of 299 (285770)
02-10-2006 10:47 PM
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02-10-2006 3:40 PM


Re: What is Christ-like?
So why do you mischaracterize all of Christianity as one thing when in reality, there have been and are different versions of it?

are you saying that you disown all the things that people did in the name of christianity? such as all the things that jar listed?
that seems revisionist to me, you should own up to the fact that christianity is one of most intolerent religions and try to move past it and make it better, not keep making it worse by claiming its not real christianity but some false one
you are trying to revise history to make your religion look better that way, isn't that false?


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Message 22 of 299 (285773)
02-10-2006 11:00 PM
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02-10-2006 3:40 PM


Re: What is Christ-like?
So why do you mischaracterize all of Christianity as one thing when in reality, there have been and are different versions of it?

You mean like theories of evolution?

Rhetorician, see thyself.


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Message 23 of 299 (285776)
02-10-2006 11:28 PM
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02-10-2006 1:15 PM


Re: setting the record straight
For example, Muslims wanted the Jews because they felt usury and thus banking was inappropiate for a Muslim. So yea, they welcomed the Jews, but not as equals.

they bank. they just don't charge for loans.

how very tolerant of you to state this in this manner.


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Message 24 of 299 (286190)
02-13-2006 1:05 PM


The basic premise is faulty

The prophet Muhammed went on a Jihad agsint the Jews who disapproved him and killed 600 of them. This continued. Middle east was conquered through blood shed. According the Islamic Law, Sharia, if the muslims build their temple in any city, that city belongs to them. Look what they have done. They have built the mosques in Bethlehem, NAzareth and even Jerusalem and they are now claiming these cities. In the USA, they have built 1400 mosques. It did not stop here. They did this to the Hinduus. The Sharia law cost the lives of nearly 3 million Hindues and muslims. This has extended to Indonesia. REcently, the world is totally blind to the innocent murder of Christians in Sudan. Nearly 300, 000 of them have been murdered.

Yes, now you can blame the Christians for the Holy war, Crusades. Of course, those who carried this out did in the name of Christianity and they were not even christians. Hitler is also described as a Christian. If he were a Christian, why would he execute Bon hoefer, a Christian minister who opposed Hitler? Hitler was an atheist and he strongly believed in Evolution ( Aryans were the Superior race). He also hated Christians and Jews.

Did you know that while the Muslims and Hindus were killing each other, it was the christians who stood by the Muslims, protected them and helped them with medical aid and food. do you know who is Mother Theresa? Why did she do what she did?

Jim Elliott was a missionary who was killed by the Alka Indians. MAny years later, his wife had a burden for these peopel and went and ministered to them.

Jesus Christ was illegally charged and convicted when he committed no crime. He died for you and me. He even forgave his enemies.

On the other hand,KOran ( Surah 33 and 35) states that all muslims must hate Jews and Christians and even execute them. If a muslim executes anon muslim, he will go to paradise where 76 virgins will be waiting for him. In the worls today, the muslims are carrying out the commands of their prophet by killing Christians. On the other hand, Chrisitans have not killed anyone in the name of religion recently.

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Message 25 of 299 (286191)
02-13-2006 1:14 PM
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02-13-2006 1:05 PM


Re: The basic premise is faulty
quote:
On the other hand,KOran ( Surah 33 and 35) states that all muslims must hate Jews and Christians and even execute them.

Lol. Have you read those Surahs yourself? Here is an on-line translation of the Quran. Those Surahs don't say what you say they do.


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Message 26 of 299 (286196)
02-13-2006 1:20 PM
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02-13-2006 1:05 PM


Re: The basic premise is faulty
Hitler was an atheist.

Yuh-huh.

"We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian."
-Adolf Hitler, 10/27/28

Here's a few more for ya. One of my personal favorites:

"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
-Adolf Hitler, 10/24/33

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Message 27 of 299 (286200)
02-13-2006 1:26 PM
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02-13-2006 1:20 PM


Fundamentalist Logic
Atheists are bad.
Hitler was bad.
Therefore, Hitler was an atheist.

Jesus, Dan, do you even try?


"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Message 28 of 299 (286213)
02-13-2006 2:36 PM
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02-13-2006 1:05 PM


The Topic is on Christianity
This is not a topic about Islam, but rather about the barbarity of Christianity.

Try to stay on topic.


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    Message 29 of 299 (286243)
    02-13-2006 4:54 PM
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    02-10-2006 2:16 PM


    Re: setting the record straight
    While that is the modern interpretation of that phrase, from the text itself, I do not see any reason to consider it meant to be spiritual at all.
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    Message 30 of 299 (286278)
    02-13-2006 7:25 PM
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    I would become all things to all men
    Hitler had 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra' issued to every soldier in the German army. Seems he wore his god on his sleeve....
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