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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3356 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
I guess we scared off another fraud.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
This is the second thread he bailed out of.
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RevCrossHugger Member (Idle past 5606 days) Posts: 108 From: Eliz. TN USA Joined: |
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” - Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher
~ To the usual suspects; Well I can add fraud to the long list of insults that have been heaped upon me in a comical attempt to discredit my education and life experience. Ha ha ! Indeed ! So much crap and so little time to debunk it. Members in this forum range from 'Google experts' to flaming Gestapo SS. or KKK type haters (not race but religion) to hypocrites and bigots to a few genuine well educated and socially well rounded experts, such as myself. I answer when I have the time, send me a check if you would rather me answer a group of angry atheists than post at a more socially advanced board. Heck I would rather clean toilet at my church or mission than answer some of the asinine replies fielded here. I participate in these message boards for recreation. This is the most hostile, mentally constipated board I have had the displeasure of joining. Why? Must you even ask the brutally obvious? Well for starters its because if its insolent juvenile attitude, and the behavior of many of its knuckle dragging members. The majority of replies aren't enjoyable to read nor field a reply. Of course that's the plan isn't it? Really the creeps here that find enjoyment insulting and taunting Christians or anyone that does not fit in with their atheist group should time back and join the Nazi party, you would be right at home there. As I said in the other thread (staking is in your job description as well?) I will match my educational and life achievements with anyone here and found no takers. Here its the same story. So if anyone is a fraud its well the bulk of the membership here. So please most of the members here are not my peers, but rather my students. Come to my church and learn about the lies your atheist teachers have steeped you in or donate some time at one of my two humanitarian missions (all three's existence are verifiable by looking at the public records in Elizabethton TN) Fraud and cons, and Google scientists, that would be a large measure of the people that have responded to my posts. Forums like this will get rid of people like myself in two ways. One is employ a double standard of moderation (that has not happened yet to my surprise, thank you moderators and Admin). Or they outright ban someone of the Christian faith because of their faith and opinions.This usually only happens if the atheist or Pseudo Skeptic is getting intellectually shredded diced and sliced. The process is enhanced if there are two or more Christians tag teaming (much like the unbelievers do to Christians here)up on a hapless non believer. That has not happened here either, and again I thank the powers that be. In closing I will state to those in your group who's inability to reply without insult (to myself or my religion), you only lack a swastika and a brown shirt to make your personal package complete, I say go for it. In any case as I said I will ONLY respond to a post that has NO personal content. If I read the first hint of personal remark I stop reading, that is the reason I haven't responded to many posts in addition to other reasons stated. ; {> “Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.” - Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” - Sren Kierkegaard, Danish Philosopher.. ; {>
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Brian Member (Idle past 5214 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
I will match my educational and life achievements with anyone here and found no takers. What are your educational and life achievements Rev? I am only aware of you having a M.A. in Christian Theology, I take it you have other qualifications? At the uni/college that you recieved your M.A. at, did you need to have previous qualifications to allow you on to a Masters course. I am really interested to know this. But, since you appear to put a lot of stock into qualifications I am interested to know what you have over and above your M.A. Finally, you said you have your own church, are you the resident minister there and, if so, did you need other qualifications to attain your current position?
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3356 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
RCH writes: Well I can add fraud to the long list of insults that have been heaped upon me in a comical attempt to discredit my education and life experience... So I take that as a: Yes, I lied about attending Milligan College and earning a Graduate Degree in Theology from there. Why do I keep bringing this up? Because I detest dishonest people who have to lie even about there own credentials in order for them to try to persuade people to there cause and propagate there message. Why should we care? Because if you lie about yourself why should we trust anything else you say here and further deceive unsuspecting posters. And why bring up the Nazi's and the KKK???? Your martyr complex is pitiful and typical of people, religious or not (we have called out both on this forum) who have something to hide. Your attempt to shift the focus off of your dishonesty and onto anyone who is calling you out is weak. Am I beating down your door and dragging you into the street with a Lugar? You have no freaking clue what the Jews and other people that the Nazi's called 'misfits' had to go through during the Holocaust. You come no where close to the beatings, rapes, torture and brutal massacring they had to go through. So stop with your martyr complex and just own up to being wrong and lying about it! I know I have probably raised the ire of the moderators for taking this thread off-track but there is a point where we have to say enough is enough and not allow purposeful deception to continue unchecked. I am not calling on you being banned here. And I never have. That is not my job anyways. Rather I further encourage you to post here, as I have, to learn from others and stop being so hypocritical and dogmatic. In this respect I am asking that the moderators possibly transfer this to another thread to discuss. I think this would be a wonderful topic to discuss. However, my suspicions are that RCH will perceive this as an attempt to further discredit him. That is not my attempt. I hope you will use this as a learning experience (for me as well) to explore the limits of your knowledge and broaden them. Believe me I too have had to eat a lot of humble pie here as well as elsewhere in my life adventure.
RCH writes: As I said in the other thread (staking is in your job description as well?) I will match my educational and life achievements with anyone here and found no takers. Here its the same story. So if anyone is a fraud its well the bulk of the membership here. So please most of the members here are not my peers, but rather my students. And you wonder why we are rolling our eyes at you? Every act of conscious learning requires the willingness to suffer an injury to one's self-esteem. That is why young children, before they are aware of their own self-importance, learn so easily. ~Thomas Szasz For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3712 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:My posts had no personal content and no hate speech. Message 10, Message 24, Message 48, Message 55, Message 63, and Message 68. I can't say the same for all your posts and especially this final one, (Message 93). It is unworthy of one who claims to be a follower and teacher for Christ.
Matthew 5:22 NIV
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. Galatians 5
22. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23. gentleness and self-control. 1 Corinthians 12 4. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. In these forums, self-control is very important. One should choose words wisely and not spare the editing. It is wise to heed constructive criticism concerning this forum. Catholic Scientist's Message 84 didn't contain any personal or hate speech either. I'm very interested to hear you response concerning the blind men and the elephant. Now if you want to get this thread back on track, address Catholic Scientist's post and move forward. Stop flaunting credentials. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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Granny Magda Member (Idle past 293 days) Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: |
quote: They laughed at Galileo. They also laughed at the Marx Brothers.
quote: Pathetic. Rather than address the points raised here, you would prefer to engage in childish mud-slinging and abuse. How sad. You actually have the nerve to compare forum members here to the KKK? Shame on you. The KKK lynch their opponents;have you been lynched by anyone here? Or have you merely had your ideas challenged? To suggest any kind of equivalence here is both dishonest and disgraceful. As for your self-description as well rounded and expert, I have seen precious little evidence of either. I have seen plenty of childish tantrums though
quote: Well I'm not stopping you.
quote: Even more shameful than your KKK crack. The Nazis massacred millions. They raped, tortured and engaged in genocide. We, here at this board, have merely typed out a few messages you didn't like. Are you really such a cretin that you can't tell the difference? I doubt it. I think you're just deliberately being dishonest, that is, you are bearing false witness, just because you a miffed at us. Pathetic. Some Christian you turn out to be. Shame on you.
RevCrossHugger writes: Gestapo SS...KKK type haters... hypocrites and bigots... Fraud and cons... knuckle dragging members... you only lack a swastika and a brown shirt... RevCrossHugger writes: to those in your group who's inability to reply without insult...I will ONLY respond to a post that has NO personal content You appalling hypocrite. Shame on you once more and if you fail to respond to me in future for calling you that, I will not lose any sleep. Mutate and Survive "The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3356 days) Posts: 1548 Joined: |
Brian writes: What are your educational and life achievements Rev? I would quote his list of "missions" from other forums but I do not want to further propogate his cause. However if you do an search on google using the email address found on his profile it is not that hard to figure out what he is doing i.e trying to get internet real estate and popularity to further his religious racketeer.
Brian writes: I am only aware of you having a M.A. in Christian Theology, I take it you have other qualifications? Neither Milligan College (which is where he claimed to get his degree) or Emmanual School of Religion across the street, provides a MA in Theology degree.
Brian writes: Finally, you said you have your own church, are you the resident minister there and, if so, did you need other qualifications to attain your current position? This is what the good rev says about his church:
RCH writes: I am a open theist Christian with Gnostic and Apocalyptic leanings (just to name a couple). The church that I founded and own is named The 'XXXXXXX' or 'XXXXXXX' to shorten it up a bit. We boast a small but growing membership which is remarkable given that the church was only meant to provide a sponsor for my missions a spiritual mission (the 'XXXXXXX' and the 'XXXXXXX'. Although we have a building, I don’t publicly preach (yet) but do send out the IRS required newsletter at least twice a year. Just a brief background as I feel its important to know the background and possibly the intent of the author. also
RCH writes: Hey, I am an open theist Christian (Google Christian open theism)! I go to a biker church, and am a spiritual warrior for my beliefs. Sort of an archangel. I own a humanitarian mission (xxx, (xxx) and a paper tiger church. xxx Church (xxxx). I get the wrath from the fundamental Christians (think main stream Christians) AND the hard core atheists, AND everyone in between. and
RCH writes: If you want to donate to my church or either of my missions one being a humantirian mission that helps the needy with basic humanitarian needs ( I and my mission xxx partnered with second xxx). The other mission called the xxx, is dedicated to fighting the spirtural war, which includes assisting the ID movement to get a toe hold in our educational system. The above highlight is a real gem which discloses the religious fundamental movement's real purpose behind the ID movement. Almost every post on the internet where I see his name (in several dozen different forums) he mentions the above even when it makes no connection with the topic at hand. It is pure religious SPAM and free advertising and donations for his supposed religious "ministries". BTW, RCH IF you do honestly run a soup kitchen or the like I applaud you and in no way discourage this type of humanitarian activity. However, that does not give you the right to propogate dishonest credentials and the like to further your religious cause. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Dr. Carl Sagan
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
Yes. Godwins law strikes again. That means you lose Rev.
to a few genuine well educated and socially well rounded experts, such as myself. Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back.
(staking is in your job description as well? Stalking I think. No we just participate im multiple threads.
Come to my church and learn about the lies your atheist teachers have steeped you in or donate some time at one of my two humanitarian missions We have asked for evidence. What did we receive? Insults, ridicule and accusations of picking on the question. You are conflating things here. Your claim of being Mr Humanitarian has nothing to do with your intellectual dishonesty. All we ask for is evidence for your assertions. I really doubt you have any 'truth" to impart on anyone.
One is employ a double standard of moderation (that has not happened yet to my surprise, thank you moderators and Admin). Or they outright ban someone of the Christian faith because of their faith and opinions.This usually only happens if the atheist or Pseudo Skeptic is getting intellectually shredded diced and sliced. The process is enhanced if there are two or more Christians tag teaming (much like the unbelievers do to Christians here)up on a hapless non believer. That has not happened here either, and again I thank the powers that be. The why bring these up? Building a case for your christian persecution complex? You have not "shredded diced or sliced' anyone here. All you have done is whined. Waaa, waaa waa. You are a dishonest debater. Maybe one day we can get a christian that can acually defend their views. Edited by Theodoric, : His post really pissed me off had to add Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4625 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
Our Indians Have Outdone the Romans, writes: The Five Nations have such absolute Notions of Liberty that they allow no kind of Superiority of one over another, and banish all Servitude from their Territories. ~ Cadwallader Colden, 1727 Thanks for the exchange Bri ...Hope things are well with you. Brian writes: rch writes:
If only Britain had taken this approach the war against the IRA would have been finished in days! War is hell brother. If the Palestinian terrorists wouldn’t use the innocents as human shields there would be less collateral damage. I am sure you know one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. That goes for nation states and governments as well. Think of a Hamas-led Palestinian government. Civilised people do not slaughter a thousand innocent people in order to kill one terrorist, no other nation in the world would get away with the war crimes that Israel has got away with. First, I want to say thank you for your honesty. I find it extremely encouraging. That said, your final statement above may be a tad bit misleading. Big Israel seems to have made off like a bandit, as well as lil' Israel, if their workover on the approximately 40 million members of the Haudenosaunee is any indication. Ol' uncle Sam certainly seems to have shared, in some strange form, Karl Marx and Lewis Henry Morgan's passionate attraction for the ‘League of the Ho de no sau nee’ among whom ‘the state did not exist’ and ‘Liberty, Equality and Fraternity, though never formulated, were cardinal principles’. 1 This ol' Confederacy is now more commonly associated by the eurocentric epithet that became bestowed upon them - the 'Iroquois'. The Haudenosaunee's sophisticated use of oratory skills surprised a good many of their contemporary observers. Their excellence with the spoken word, among other attributes, often caused Adams, Colden, Franklin, Marx, Morgan, etc. and others to frequent comparisons of the Haudenosaunee with the Greeks and Romans. 2 HiStory has determined that the latter use of the term 'Iroquois' to describe the Haudenosaunee Confederacy was directly related to these ancient oral traditions, as the term originated from the practice of ending their orations with the two words hiro and kone. The first word translates to 'I say' or 'I have said' and the second term maintained employment, according to the circumstances of the speech, as an exclamation of joy or sorrow. So, as the two words were enjoined and further subjected to various foreign pronunciations, 'hiro-kone' became 'Iroquois'. European Imperialists were often exposed to the Haudenosaunee's oratorical skills during eighteenth-century treaty councils and they may have even learned a thing or two. Numerous passages in Karl Marx's Ethnological Notebooks - notes for a major study the founder of Marxism never lived to relay, may allude to his seemingly ironic interest which had formulated regarding an ancient spiritual democracy established through the Haudenosaunee Confederacy. 3 After Marx death, it seems the notebooks received surprisingly little attention as the better part of a century transpired. The peculiarity of such delay fades as one realizes the degree of challenge the notes may present towards what has so long passed for 'Marxism'. In a brief article by Franklin Rosemont, which may be difficult not to enjoy, he reveals "one of Marx’s notes includes Morgan's description of the formation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy as ‘a masterpiece of Indian wisdom’", as well as a notable fascination Marx beheld upon learning, as far in advance of the revolution as 1755, the Haudenosaunee recommended to the ‘forefathers of the Americans, a union of the colonies similar to their own.’ 4 All things considered, this may come as little surprise as one accepts that the US constitution is actually derived, in part, from an indigenous document first established by The Five (and later Six) Nation Confederacy of the Haudenosaunee which underwent bulldozing to make way for a more 'manifest destiny'.lol - perhaps the esteemed Benjamin Franklin's rudimentary, yet informative, words within a dusty Albany Plan of Union best illustrate this notion. 5 One, seemingly arrogant, fellow writes: It would be a very strange thing, if six nations of ignorant Savages should be capable of forming a Scheme for such a Union, and be able to execute it in such a Manner, as that it has subsisted ages, and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like Union should be impractical for ten or a Dozen English colonies, to whom it is more necessary, and must be more advantageous; and who cannot be supposed to want an equal understanding of their ignorance. ~ Benjamin Franklin Nice. Rascals ... One Love
1) Johansen, B. E., & Mann, B. A. (Eds.). (2000). Encyclopedia of the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois Confederacy). Westport, CT: Greenwood Press. (pp. 75-77) 2) Johansen, B. E. (1982). Forgotten Founders. Ipswich, MA: Gambit Inc. (pp. 41) 3) Morgan, L. H. (1910). Ancient Society. Chicago: Charles H. Kerr & Co. (pp. 84-86) 4) Rosemont, F. (2005, July 5). Karl Marx and the Iroquois. Retrieved July 3, 2009, from Utah Edu. Archives: http://archives.econ.utah.edu/...arxism/2005w27/msg00071.htm 5) Cornelius, C. (1998). Iroquois Corn in a Culture-Based Curriculum: A Framework for Respectfully Teaching about Cultures. Albany, NY: State University of New York Press. (pp. 15) Edited by Bailey, : sp. Edited by Bailey, : gr. I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, tho my intentions are no less than to tickle your thinker. If those in first century CE had known what these words mean ... 'I want and desire mercy, not sacrifice' They surely would not have condemned the innocent; why trust what I say when you can learn for yourself? Think for yourself. Mercy Trumps Judgement,Love Weary
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Well I can add fraud to the long list of insults that have been heaped upon me in a comical attempt to discredit my education and life experience. Ha ha ! Indeed ! So much crap and so little time to debunk it. If you want people to treat you with some respect and stop insulting you, it might be beneficial to stop being so arrogant. You're dripping with condescension and it stinks to high heaven. You came in here claiming to have all the answers to life, which is obnoxious in itself. Then you proceed to annoy everyone and when they get annoyed you pull the usual "I'm a martyr" routine. "See, here's the evidence. Everyone is being mean to me." You did that to yourself, presumably on purpose so you could create for yourself a self-fulfilled prophesy that the mean pagans really are godless heathens filled with Satan's fury. If anyone is being mean to you, then perhaps with the next forum you spam might be done with a little humility. "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4444 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
In closing I will state to those in your group who's inability to reply without insult (to myself or my religion), you only lack a swastika and a brown shirt to make your personal package complete, I say go for it. In any case as I said I will ONLY respond to a post that has NO personal content. If I read the first hint of personal remark I stop reading, that is the reason I haven't responded to many posts in addition to other reasons stated. Oh, how hypocritcal of you. We are nazis, according to you because we challenge you or your beliefs. So it would seem that you can call us anything and that's no problem be if we reciprocate we are Nazi Brownshirts. At any forum there is going to differences in views, opinions, ideals & beliefs. No two people are going to have the sameexact views. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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onifre Member (Idle past 3205 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Well I can add fraud to the long list of insults that have been heaped upon me in a comical attempt to discredit my education and life experience. Ha ha ! Indeed ! So much crap and so little time to debunk it. Members in this forum range from 'Google experts' to flaming Gestapo SS. or KKK type haters (not race but religion) to hypocrites and bigots to a few genuine well educated and socially well rounded experts, such as myself. You remind me of the young comics who are starting out. After every set they come to the back and bitch about how the audience "is stupid," or "they just don't get me," or "they're not my type of audience, they don't understand me." The only ones that get past those first 3 years of comedy, which are the hardest 'cause you're not funny, are the ones that realize that it's not the audience but the material they are doing on stage. Frankly, it's just not good. Once they figure out that they should stop blaming the audience and look at themselves and what they're doing, they start to finally write better material and perform better. And hopefully one day make it to the professional level. Arrogance, self-centeredness and ego-centricity is blinding you from seeing how shitty your performance is, Rev.
In closing I will state to those in your group who's inability to reply without insult (to myself or my religion), you only lack a swastika and a brown shirt to make your personal package complete, I say go for it. So you feel that you being a little bit insulted on an online forum is equal to Jews being murdered by Nazi's, and that since we insult you we too are Nazi's? Maybe that could be the sign above your church, just to let folks know where you stand.
"Anyone who insults anyone is a fuck'n Nazi" I think it has a nice ring to it, Rev. - Oni
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Brian Member (Idle past 5214 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Thanks for this D.A.
It appears that the good rev is not only very poor at theology and science, he is actually a very poor liar as well! I'm sure the rev will con a little hard earned cash out of some gullible souls.
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