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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Read one yourself. We are talking about Christians not "Christian government." Since when did the British government act on belief in Biblical prophecy?
This message has been edited by Faith, 04-17-2006 10:15 AM
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I said that you can't find any signs of the Apocalypse bwing imminent because you can't. The Exile itself was just as much a "sign" and that was 0more than 1900 years ago. And there's more stuff that needs to happen first - like rebuilding the Temple - which has yet to even start.
In fact the very existenc eof this thread proves me righht. If you really could see signs that the Apocalypse was imminent you wouldn't be wasting time with this argument at all. Likewise he reason I say that even if the Ap ocalypse had begun it would not address my point, is because it does not. My point is that these rumoured calls for a beheading are of no significance to your Apocalyptic ideas. The more so since your arguments indicate that the Apocalypse "began" prior to the Jewish Revolt and the particular incident that sparked this post certainly does not indicate "severe persecution". As for your "serious" "students" of the Bible, they appear to be "seriously" opposed to study and interested only in inveting excuses to axplain away the clear discrepencies. The differences are significant and ignore what genuine students of the Bible have discovered about the writing of the Gospels. Equally your "serious students" see, to think that if the Bible says something that they don't like they should pretend that it says something else. Mark and Matthew clearly link the destruction of the Temple to the Second Coming. I know you don't like it but it's you against the Bible. Moreover the reasons why I don't beleive th at Jesus expected an exile return have nothing to do with any prejudice against it. I am, for iastance, quite happy to accept that Jesus predicted the destruction of the Temple within a generation (and that happened). The reasons why I do not beleive th at Jesus did not make the prediction you refer to are due to the fact that Luke's account is very different from Matthew and Mark (who closely agree) - and there is no good explanation as to why both Matthew and Mark would omit major events like that, Wh ereas it is quite likely that someone would revise the prophecy after the fact And accordign to the wide consensus of Bible scholars, Luke was written after the fall of Jerusalem and therefore could easily include a revised "prophecy". With regard to th e Tribulation you are again in oppsoition to the Bible. The Tribulation is supposed to be a time so bad that if it continued for long humanity would be wiped out. Clearly it cannot go on for centuries. So either the Tribulation is long gone, or Luke is wrong. As for this:
quote: A SERIOUS student of the Bible would check the parallel versions in Mark and Luke. They would also read the answer. None of these sources back up your assertion that the answer is to be read as answering three different questions concerning widely seperated events. Mark 13:4 (NASB)
4 "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?"
And from the context it is clearly the destruction of the Temple that is meant - nothing else is mentioned. Worse for you, consider the answer. Where in Matthew does Jesus answer the question about the destruction of the Temple ? If he does not then you whole argument fails to even work with Matthew. Thus your accusation that I am not producing serious answers is absurd. I am paying more attention to the Bible than you are. I certainly do not agree that "anything goes" - your arguments are certainly far from adequate as I am demonstrating. Until you are prepared to take the text of the Bible at least as seriously as I do - unlike your so-called "serious students"- then you are not managing a serious discussion on the Bible. It is also false to say that I am not acceptign your evidence. The fact is that - as I am showing - your evidence is simply not adequate to back up your claims. There is no special reference to an increae in beheadings. Even if there is an increase in beheadings there is nothing to link it to the particular beheadigns you are talking about. And as I have already done my homework I know that the Beast's regiime does not yet exist, nor is there any plausible reason to suppose that it will exist in the near future. Thus your point 4 really was irrelevant.s
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Beheadings will emerge as the primary mode of execution!! China alone executes, at a minimum, 3,400 people per year, all by firing squad. (Amnesty International stresses that this is only the ones for which China is willing to release information, and that the actual number is probably much higher.) This is compared to... what, a handful of beheadings on the news? You say it's just the beginning, but beheadings aren't even remotely close to the primary mode of execution. You're counting your raptures before they hatch. "We had survived to turn on the History Channel And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied: You're what happens when two substances collide And by all accounts you really should have died." -Andrew Bird
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I would agree with Faith. Last I heard the British government is not a Christian theocracy.
We're trying to get back to topic. If you want to argue your point why not open a new thread on it? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
You're missing my point that with the emergence of Islam as a threat to world peace, you will likely see more beheadings. Time will tell. I'm contending that they are beginning to emerge in the news whereas, hardly anything significant about them has been aired for a long time. I'm more or less making a pediction based on the Bible. It's too early to know how that will turn out. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but doubt that that hope will be realized.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I suggest that interested folks do a google on "beheadings on increase." You get pages of blogs, et al of folks talking about this phenomena of the emergence of beheadings. So it's not just this babling boogyman buz being bothered about abundant beheading brutalities.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
And where does the Bible specifically say that beheadings will increase ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
buzsaw writes: ... do a google on "beheadings on increase." I googled "beheadings on increase" and got 556,000 hits.Then I googled "Flintstone is God" and got 1,050,000 hits. Scientific research in action. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4132 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
I think you are trying to play up the threat of islam way too much, and need to relax a bit, but thats just me i guess
You're missing my point that with the emergence of Islam as a threat to world peace, you will likely see more beheadings. Time will tell. I'm contending that they are beginning to emerge in the news whereas, hardly anything significant about them has been aired for a long time. I'm more or less making a pediction based on the Bible. It's too early to know how that will turn out. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but doubt that that hope will be realized. maybe the fundis are a threat but fundis are a threat no matter what religion they are, come now buz you are making it out to be exstremists = islam, when you know thats wrong. the bible doesn't say anything about islam, you are putting your own spin on it, to make it look like islam is the boogyman. revelations is so vague theres no way to tell what the author was talking about or what century even, it could be now, 100 years from now or a thousand theres a lot of people that claim the catholic church is the whore of babylon, but they have no basis eather, why would this be true?
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
quote: I take real exception with this idea for various historical reasons. Firstly, Islam is said to have emerged in around 632 and so has been with us for almost 1400 years. It certainly isn't a sudden occurance, and it's power as a culture can be said, if anything, to have waned from an early peak in the first centuries of the last millenium. Secondly, your post appears to make the assumption that Islam is naturally violent whilst Christianity is naturally non-violent. The truth is that as much violence has been done in the name of Jesus as has been done in any religion, nost notably the Crusades. Thirdly, I detect an inferrence that Islam is/has always been unenlightened. Again, this is not true. During the early centuries of the last millenenium is was Islamic culture that both lead and influenced the Christian world, produced notable strides forward in Mathematics and Astromony and preserved many classical Greek and Latin texts that have, since the Renaissance, become cornerstones of Western Christian culture. It is true that in recent years parts of the Muslim world have slid towards extremism, but this is a classic response to the position of economic and social powerlessness that many Muslims currently find themselves, which itself can be attributed to the failure of their societies to counter the rise of capitalist power and influence from the West. I agree with Jar here. The real enemy, if we have to produce one, is religious fundamentalism of ANY stripe.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
not theocracy so much, but they do have a state church, and it is a christian one.
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RickJB Member (Idle past 5012 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: |
Buzz and Brenn,
Christianity in Britain had just about nothing to do with the establishment of Israel - if anything Britain eventually had to be pushed to accept it. The post war goverment in the UK was formed by the Social Democratic Labout party, who, amongst other things introduced nationalized healthcare and encouraged partially-nationalized industry. Amonst the top ranks of Labour at this time were many Socialist/Humanist atheists. The establishment of Israel was pushed by a combination of huge amounts of immigration by Jews to Palestine before and during WWII backed by a strong Zionist movement. Britain still had a great deal colonial power in the area (having been given a League Of Nations mandate to prepare Palestine for independence) and had made promises to the Zionist movement with regard to a new Jewish homeland within Palestine. However, at the same time they attempted to limit Jewish immigration to avoid an Arab uprising. In short, they were stuck in the middle. The emerging facts of the Holocaust, a low-level conflict with Jewish immigrants and pressure from the US eventually forced Britain to accept Israel's establishment at the expense of a greater Palestine and many Palestinians. This message has been edited by rjb, 04-18-2006 07:22 AM
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
You're missing my point that with the emergence of Islam as a threat to world peace, you will likely see more beheadings. And what I'm saying is that, according to what we see in the world around us, there is nothing to suggest that it will reach the levels stated in your religion. Could there be a rise in beheadings? Sure. But are you suggesting that a loosely organized handful of terrorist cells will reach the point where their capacity for routine execution outstrips China? Because that would be required for the stated end result, "beheadings will emerge as the primary mode of execution."
I suggest that interested folks do a google on "beheadings on increase." Okay. The first page that comes up is an Amnesty International page, which refers to the increase in executions in Saudi Arabia. Apparently, it's up to 31 per year, as of 2004. Feel free to compare this to the number from China in my previous post. The second page on google is a website called Satan's Rapture. And for directing me to a loon site of that caliber, I thank you. "We had survived to turn on the History Channel And ask our esteemed panel, Why are we alive? And here's how they replied: You're what happens when two substances collide And by all accounts you really should have died." -Andrew Bird
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 756 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
which refers to the increase in executions in Saudi Arabia. Apparently, it's up to 31 per year, as of 2004.
Pah! Texas clears their nose in your general direction, Saudi Arabia! We kill about that many mentally retarded people alone in a year around here!
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lfen Member (Idle past 4699 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
And for directing me to a loon site of that caliber, I thank you. High Caliber Loon sites deserve a forum all to themselves! Yeah!
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