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Author Topic:   Following Forum Guidelines and Moderator Requests
John Paul
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Message 1 of 4 (115692)
06-16-2004 9:43 AM


This topic originally began as Message 115. --Admin

Forum Guidelines:
7. Avoid any form of misrepresentation.

Geeze I wonder when that will be enforced?

1. Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.

I answer the posts as they are posted. IOW if I stray off topic it would be because I answered someone who strayed.

2. Debate in good faith by addressing rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not merely keep repeating the same points without further elaboration.

Is further elaboration always necessary? If someone can't or shows no signs of understanding the basics why get more indepth?

3. Respect for others is the rule here. Argue the position, not the person. The Britannica says, "Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach."

When evos start doing this others may follow.

4. Make your points by providing supporting evidence and/or argument. Avoid bare assertions. Because it is often not possible to tell which points will prove controversial, it is acceptable to wait until a point is challenged before supporting it.

see response to #3

5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.

OK I can do that.

6. Never include material not your own without attribution to the original source.

I try very hard to do that.

7 is covered above.

8. Please do not participate as more than one ID. You can change your user ID by going to your Profile Page and creating a new alias.

John Paul- no need to change.

9. When introducing a new topic, please keep the post narrowly focused. Do not include more than a few points.

OK I can do that.

10. Do not cut-n-paste long excerpts into message boxes. Please instead introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference. If your source is not on-line you may contact the Site Administrator to have it made available on-line.

I don't understand this rational but I can do that.

If I am guilty of violating #2 then many evos are guilty of violating #7. Even if I am not guilty they still would be.


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Message 2 of 4 (115693)
06-16-2004 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by John Paul
06-16-2004 9:43 AM


Hi John Paul,

I don't think we're connecting here, and I don't know why, because the instructions I gave were pretty clear and straightforward, and I provided links. As I've said several times now, if you'd like a dialogue with board administration, then please take it to Suggestions and Questions, or send email to Admin. I've started this thread so you can do that.

There was no need to enumerate the guidelines and respond to each one. Just as when someone says you broke the law they don't mean every law, when someone says you're violating the Forum Guidelines they don't mean every guideline. As your comments make clear, you knew exactly which one you were violating:

  1. Debate in good faith by addressing rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not merely keep repeating the same points without further elaboration.

You cannot justify your violation by pointing to someone else's. If you feel someone is violating the guidelines to your disadvantage, once you've attempted to deal with this on your own then your only recourse is to appeal to board administration. Please keep in mind that this is a busy place and board administration is spread very thin, so be sure your complaints are non-trivial. We won't be doing the equivalent of arresting anyone for jaywalking. It is patterns of misbehavior that get the most attention. Anyone who follows most of the guidelines much of the time is doing fine.

There are a few guidelines that when violated will bring swift action: plagiarism, participating as multiple ID's, and huge cut-n-pastes that waste disk space, no matter how apropos.


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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John Paul
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Message 3 of 4 (115702)
06-16-2004 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Admin
06-16-2004 9:46 AM


Percy,

As I have stated until I am sure someone gets the original point why go more in-depth? It doesn't make sense.

What you are telling me is it is better to leave a debate then to try to get the opposition to understand the basics. Actually if the opposition took the time to actually learn what it is they are debating against we wouldn't be having this discussion.


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Message 4 of 4 (115708)
06-16-2004 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by John Paul
06-16-2004 10:09 AM


John Paul writes:

As I have stated until I am sure someone gets the original point why go more in-depth? It doesn't make sense.

Perhaps I can help the discussion progress beyond this issue. Please describe the point you feel isn't getting across.


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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