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Son Member (Idle past 3097 days) Posts: 346 From: France,Paris Joined: |
(It's the first time i propose a subject so please correct me if I do something wrong)
I would like to know what is really ID. Of course feel free to give more detail if you have them.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17169 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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quote: Something that shouldn't be discussed, until ID has won. quote: There's no official position on that. quote: There's no official position on that either. quote: The statements and positions of various ID supporters. quote: But occasionally some admit that there's no theory of ID.
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Fallen Member (Idle past 3140 days) Posts: 38 Joined: |
Intelligent Design is the idea that there are detectable signs of intelligence in the natural world.
Nothing more, nothing less. Forgive me, Father, for I know not what I do.
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Taq Member Posts: 8523 Joined: |
Would it be fair to include the following? Intelligent Design also claims that these signs of intelligence exist in biological species and in the fundamental properties of the universe.
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Fallen Member (Idle past 3140 days) Posts: 38 Joined: |
Not necessarily. Logically speaking, there is nothing that prevents someone from advocating intelligent design based only on the fundamental properties of the universe or the features of biological species. The two need not be together to constitute intelligent design. Forgive me, Father, for I know not what I do.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8971 From: Canada Joined: |
Then another thread giving those detectable signs one at a time would be very interesting. I've not seen any that make any sense at all.
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Son Member (Idle past 3097 days) Posts: 346 From: France,Paris Joined: |
So, to you ID is just an idea? Not a theory? If it was a competing theory to evolution, shouldn't it answer the questions evolution does? At least part of them?
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Son Member (Idle past 3097 days) Posts: 346 From: France,Paris Joined: |
Yeah, I'm trying to work out the different positions of ID in this thread in order to make debates clearer in other threads without going off topic in those threads.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 1759 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined:
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Here's the problem. ID is a political movement with a political goal. They have no interest in answering questions, no interest in collecting data. The ENTIRE goal is simply to confuse the public sufficiently to allow Christian Fundamentalism to hijack education. Check out the wedge strategy to see their aims
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Son Member (Idle past 3097 days) Posts: 346 From: France,Paris Joined: |
While it is what I think too, this thread is to give them a chance to prove me wrong.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 1759 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
What mention that you are hoping will happen in your above quote is not going to happen.
Edited by Nuggin, : Obfuscating to reduce brievity.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3959 Joined: Member Rating: 3.1 |
Your last two messages totaled 5 words (the other is here).
Please strive to avoid polluting topics with such things. Such messages are bad, and they have a tendency to lead to further bad. Or something like that. NO REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE. Adminnemooseus
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Son Member (Idle past 3097 days) Posts: 346 From: France,Paris Joined: |
In short, for you ID only says that there is an intelligent designer and biological life is only a mean to prove it, right? If that's the case, I don't see the point of an ID/Evolution debate since it seems the two don't even talk about the same thing. (off topic: evolution says nothing about the presence or absence of a designer, it just doesn't use it)
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Stile Member Posts: 4075 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Good question. I have yet to ever hear a satisfactory, universally accepted (among IDists), uniquely defined answer. Regardless, hope this helps some: Superficial ID answer: The planned out, "approved" responses that aim to move ID as far away from creationism as possible, even though ID is just creationism in disguise. It was a confusing childhood for ID...
Superficial ID answer: As old as current science says.
Superficial ID answer: The universe, and/or any biological system we cannot explain through evolutionary science (even though no one's been able to identify one yet).
Superficial ID answer: Sometime between there being no life on the planet, and when the first discoveries of life date back to.
Superficial ID answer: Science, plus the science of ID! (Huzzah!! *Lots of hand-waving and sparklers*)
A fantastic idea. However, it is doomed before it starts because there is no evidence. Even the superficial-leaders don't have any actual evidence. The best thing is a vague notion that there may be something that isn't entirely explained by evolutionary-science, this is where ID is "proven" right. Of course, the fact that there must be no information means there'll never be actual evidence for ID anyway. Strange, and yet it's so captivating to try and understand the mental anguish that one must accept or be unaware of in order to embrace such a view. Happy journeys in your learning.
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