Change in Moderation?

We'll do our best. Perhaps it might be a good idea if you add a message to that thread that's a little clearer about what parts of Wise's behavior are so objectionable. After all we would hardly want him/her to get the impression that we object to his position, not his technique. And as the disinterested admin he/she might not immediately dismiss such suggestions as he/she might do from his/her opponents.

Admin posted this at the "Retire Free for All?" topic a while back, and I long intended to get a copy to this topic. I may even give it a "Posting of the Month" nomination.

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To everyone,

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If I could provide just a little more clarification...

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It is often asked, "Why are you warning me about following the guidelines when no one else is following them either?" A good question.

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It helps to think of the guidelines as traffic laws. Our traffic laws are not strictly obeyed, but they're obeyed well enough that our roads are pretty safe. But consider how many traffic laws aren't followed. Most people roll through stop signs. Some people roll through right-turn-on red. Some people think it's okay to cut off traffic at yield signs. Almost everyone goes over the speed limit. In other words, our traffic laws aren't hard and fast. In some respects they're a little like guidelines - mostly follow them and you'll do fine.

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But some violations are worse than others. Going 5 or 10 miles per hour over the speed limit is fine. In fact, on some roads this isn't fast enough and you have to follow the non-statute but well-known rule of "keeping up with traffic." But go too fast and you'll get pulled over - not always, not even most of the time, not even very often in fact, but if you make a common practice of it probably a couple times a year. Run red lights and you likely won't get pulled over since the odds of a policemen being there at the right time is small, but you'll be spending a lot of time filling out accident reports and insurance forms.

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There's additional variation between policemen, and even between time of day with the same policeman. Blow through a speed trap at 13 mph over the limit and some policemen give you a pass, others pull you over. Maybe they're looking for the big "double penalty" speeders of 20 mph or more over the limit that day. Maybe they're in a good mood or a bad mood. Who knows? Sometimes you commit a moving violation and get pulled over, sometimes you don't. Maybe even sometimes you get pulled over when you didn't do anything. I once got pulled over three times in two days - I later found out a car similar in appearance to mine had been reported involved in a robbery.

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So, if you get a warning about following the guidelines, it's possible you didn't do anything wrong, but you probably did. And you've probably been doing it a lot. And other people have been doing it, too, but probably not as much as you, or maybe just not with quite as much panache. Anyway, if you get warned, please just say, "Okay, okay, I'll be good." And then be good. Or at least better. Thanks!

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Percy
EvC Forum Administrator

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I also encourage all, to read this topic from the start.The only true way we can have successful moderation at , is if the various members do "self-moderation". Ask yourself, "Is this a good message to be posted at this time, in this topic?".Cheers,
Adminnemooseus

To Adminomoosue:
The aversion to /*DNAUnion*/ seems a bit of an over reaction to me. I would agree that it might be easier for us all to read if everyone followed a very standard format. But it just isn't a big enough deal. If I find it annoying or hard to read I just don't have to bother with the posts.I already do this with almost all of Brad's posts. They are too hard to read so I don't bother. I don't suggest suspending him because I don't like the way they are written.Leave the format or readability of posts up to a selection process. If it is bad enough people will stop reading them.

I had thought - hoped, perhaps - that the adminstrative attention was due to his unfortunate habit of obsessing over any percieved slight to the exclusion of substantial debate. I saw nothing truly objectionable about his stupid code brackets, but I do object to how he keeps forgetting to address the meat of arguments instead of their presentation.

The previous 2 messages, and particularly NosyNed's, are responses to my "Universal Perfection" topic closing message.There, DNAunion was the focal point, although not the only culpret, of the disruption of the topic.It seems that DNAunion has been doing much less objectionable methodology since that topic closure. I thank him.Of course, Brad McFall is a whole nother issue. Brad has been granted special licence to post as he does, despite his communications dificulties. I think all have ongoing hopes that Brad can have some success in refining his messages into something more concise and coherent. Every now and then it does (or almost does) happen.Perhaps we need to limit Brad to a certain number of words per message, to try to guide him into better writting.Cheers,
Adminnemooseus

I may have missed the point. I thought that the admin was objecting (and suggesting suspension) over the /**/ labeling alone.

Also, I must admit some guilt in that respect; linking to images wasn't the most constructive thing I could have done if my goal was to try and get DNA to address points of contention. In the future, I'll do my best to try to keep him in line without letting myself go out of line at the same time.------------------
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illuminate me."[This message has been edited by Rei, 11-06-2003]

If you're wondering about the temporary suspension of posting privileges, it was due to concern about issues related to rule 3 of the forum guidelines (respect for others) combined with noticing that the situation was worsening, and that moderator requests were having no effect.I would like to thank DNAunion for so quickly getting on track and for not responding to attempts by others to reintroduce old history (as in posts from yesterday ).------------------

--	Percy
	EvC Forum Administrator

Re: Iron Man's suspensionWhat exactly is the procedure for a change of username? If there isn't one, is it really fair to suspend a person for shifting to a new identity, if the purpose wasn't to circumvent a suspension?(Also how come IM's suspension didn't merit a notice on the Suspensions thread?)

messenjaH - Might I ask where you are getting your information, that Iron Man was suspended?Adminnemooseus

I'll never tell..... HAHHAAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHAAAA

He's my brother so it's fairly easy to figure out. I'd like to say his suspension was unjust because there is no rule against it, it is just not recommended. If you're going by evc forum rules that is.

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(Also how come IM's suspension didn't merit a notice on the Suspensions thread?)

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Good question. Moose take it away... Hiding a suspension isn't nice...------------------
-chris

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messenjaH - Might I ask where you are getting your information, that Iron Man was suspended?

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Wait a second, as I reread your post it seems like you are trying to fabricate the truth.Iron Man AKA my brother was suspended for having two screen names. I can show everyone the email you sent to him yourself...... He also tested his name and it said he is suspended blah blah blah.PLEASE EXPLAIN YOURSELF.------------------
-chris

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